Hurdy-gurdy Mailing List - January 2000
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Our deepest thanks to Maxou Heintzen for this fabulous photograph, taken at Saint-Cloud near Paris in 1957 by an unknown photographer.
The following are the archives of the Hurdy-gurdy Mailing List, sponsored by Alden and Cali Hackmann of Olympic Musical Instruments.
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Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 05:40:40 -0500
From: Nick Nourse <nick.mapworks _at_ frogwell.telinco.co.uk>
Subject: HG:
Hi
This is may seem a little basic to one or two of you out there, but I have
a simple HG construction question to pose.
I am intending to produce (my first) HG from the Marcello Bono drawings of
the Bosch model - I am happy with most of the detail to begin to start some
real work on the instrument, but, can anyone tell me which way the grain
runs in the bottom block?
Traditionally, as a violin maker, it would run top to bottom, or front to
back. This seems to be very slightly inherently weak where the ribs (sides)
enter the block. It seems more sensible to run the grain 'around' the
instrument, or from rib to rib. This would be marginally stronger, and
more aesthetically pleasing assuming the same material is used for the
block as well as the ribs.
I assume the grain in the top block runs top to bottom.
And, how thick should the front be, using European spruce?
Help much appreciated in advance, and anyone with more than a passing
knowledge or experience of building from these drawings would be dead
helpful.
Nick Nourse
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Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 17:28:28 -0500
From: Debbie Dawson <goodthym _at_ mcn.org>
Subject: HG: Re: HG: Re: HG: Merry Christmas from the silent subscriber!
>Hello All,
>
>I think the best way to get the information I want is to ask all of you and
>keep my fingers crossed that someone will reply. I'd like to get
>information about the October 2000 "stage" that Les Brayauds will be
>giving. Thanks, Judy
Dear Judy; I don't know if this is the answer you are looking for, but
here's something to get excited about: WE are talking with LES BRAYAUDS
about being our resident instructors for the second annual FRENCH AND
BRETON MUSIC AND DANCE FESTIVAL, to be held at the Mendocino Woodlands
August 20-27, 1999. It looks like they will be able to come, so put that
date on your calenda! Last years' festival, with Patrick Bouffard, was
awesome, and we plan on another great time. The word will be posted to the
HG list along with registration info, as soon as things are definite.
Meantime spread the word. Thanks, Debra Dawson
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Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 19:45:56 -0500
From: john lavers <johnlavers _at_ yahoo.com>
Subject: HG:
i need a hurdy gurdy repair man in the toronto
montreal area. i've heard that daniel thoneau does it
but does any one have his e amail or another who does
it.
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Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 13:33:41 -0500
From: "peter.j.hughes _at_ bt.com" <peter.j.hughes _at_ bt.com>
Subject: HG: St. Chartier 2000 date?
Hello everybody, and a happy new millennium to you all.
Have the dates for the Rencontres de St. Chartier been announced yet? I'm
assuming July 13-16, but it would be nice to have some confirmation since I
need to get my holiday dates arranged as soon as possible.
Thanks,
Peter Hughes.
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Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 14:54:54 -0500
From: Mark J Hewitt <mjh _at_ elsabio.demon.co.uk>
Subject: HG: Re: HG: St. Chartier 2000 date?
On 4 Jan 00, at 13:33, peter.j.hughes _at_ bt.com wrote:
St Chartier is always the three days leading up to (and including)
Bastille Day.
> Hello everybody, and a happy new millennium to you all.
>
> Have the dates for the Rencontres de St. Chartier been announced yet? I'm
> assuming July 13-16, but it would be nice to have some confirmation since
> I need to get my holiday dates arranged as soon as possible.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Peter Hughes.
>
Mark J. Hewitt at home mjh _at_ elsabio.demon.co.uk
"As for the best leaders, the people do not notice their existence.
The next best leaders, the people admire. The next, the people
fear, and the next the people hate. But when the best leader's
work is done, the people say, "We did it ourselves."
Lao Tzu, 6th Century BC.
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Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 09:11:51 -0500
From: Xurxo Romani de Gabriel <jromanid _at_ medynet.com>
Subject: HG: Re: HG: Re: HG: St. Chartier 2000 date?
St Chartier is always the three days leading up to (and including) Bastille Day.
This is true. We always watch the fireworks during the festival (and sometimes
the world footbal championship final).
Have you seen the official page of Saint Chartier?
http://trad.org/StChartier/
They usually update it with the new program and the precise dates around march,
so wait and see. This coming edition is going to be very special, because in the
year 2000 we celebrate the 25th anniversary of the festival. You cannot miss it
(I haven�t missed the festival for the last 4 years).
Talking about something different. We discussed long ago about temperaments with
the HG. An interesting paper about the question has been published here:
http://www.arrakis.es/~jpresedo/afinacion.htm#INTRUDUCCION. It talks about
bagpipes but it can be applied to any instrument with a drone. If you understand
spanish, take a look at it.
XURXO
Happy new year and keep on turning the wheel this millennium (the second
millennium in the history of our instrument).
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Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 12:20:20 -0500
From: "peter.j.hughes _at_ bt.com" <peter.j.hughes _at_ bt.com>
Subject: HG: RE: HG: St. Chartier 2000 date?
> St Chartier is always the three days leading up to (and
> including) Bastille Day.
> This is true. We always watch the fireworks during the
> festival (and sometimes
> the world footbal championship final).
> Have you seen the official page of Saint Chartier?
> http://trad.org/StChartier/
Oh yes - it's a good site. In it you'll find that in 1995 the festival ran
from the 12th to the 16th, and in 1994 from the 14th to the 17th. Hense my
original question regarding the dates this year.
I assume they run it so it includes the nearest weekend to the 14th.
Is there anybody from the Comite on the list, or perhaps Maxu can help?
> They usually update it with the new program and the precise
> dates around march,
> so wait and see. This coming edition is going to be very
> special, because in the
> year 2000 we celebrate the 25th anniversary of the festival.
> You cannot miss it
> (I haven�t missed the festival for the last 4 years).
Oh I won't be missing it (my 7th time)! I'm expecting a good one since it's
the 25th anniversary, but even in a relatively dull year it's far better
than any other event I've been to. I might even try to drag a few friends
from home along this time.
>
> Talking about something different. We discussed long ago
> about temperaments with
> the HG. An interesting paper about the question has been
> published here:
> http://www.arrakis.es/~jpresedo/afinacion.htm#INTRUDUCCION.
> It talks about
> bagpipes but it can be applied to any instrument with a
> drone. If you understand
> spanish, take a look at it.
I don't understand Spanish, but it looks very interesting anyway. Thanks
for that - it's a fascinating subject. Note the frequencies for the minor
6th harmonics is in table 1 are incorrect -I think. It should be a 160Hz
fundamental, not 166Hz.
Bye for now.
Peter.
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Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 12:35:41 -0500
From: Xurxo Romani de Gabriel <jromanid _at_ medynet.com>
Subject: HG: Re: HG: RE: HG: St. Chartier 2000 date?
> I don't understand Spanish, but it looks very interesting anyway. Thanks
> for that - it's a fascinating subject. Note the frequencies for the minor
> 6th harmonics is in table 1 are incorrect -I think. It should be a 160Hz
> fundamental, not 166Hz.
You are right: 8/5=1.6 x 100=160. It�s a mistake. I�ll tell the authors.
About the dates of Saint Chartier, I expect someone will tell us soon, because
I need holidays too (not so many days, though, because I travel from
Barcelona). I have written mails to the web-master Laurent Daverio but he never
answers. We�ll see.
XURXO
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Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 12:55:00 -0500
From: "peter.j.hughes _at_ bt.com" <peter.j.hughes _at_ bt.com>
Subject: HG: RE: Re: HG: RE: HG: St. Chartier 2000 date?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jromanid _at_ medynet.com [mailto:jromanid _at_ medynet.com]
> About the dates of Saint Chartier, I expect someone will tell
> us soon, because
> I need holidays too (not so many days, though, because I travel from
> Barcelona). I have written mails to the web-master Laurent
> Daverio but he never
> answers. We�ll see.
>
> XURXO
Thanks for that. I've actually just come across a post from Laurent Daverio
on the French/Breton folk dance list. He gives a link to his new festivals
page as : http://trad.org/festivals.phtml. St. Chartier 2000 is given as
13-16 July.
Peter.
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Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 16:24:58 -0500
From: "Maxoubbn _at_ aol.com" <Maxoubbn _at_ aol.com>
Subject: HG: Re : HG: RE: HG: St. Chartier 2000 date?
Hello !
I can help : from 13 to 16th of July, you'll be in Saint-Chartier.
Don't miss my place (the big one with beer & french wine)
There will be an evening with Gilles Chabenat & friends
See you there
Maxou
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Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 05:46:29 -0500
From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net>
Subject: HG: Administrivia - upcoming availability of archives
Dear Hurdy-gurdy List Members,
As time permits, I'd like to create some webpages of the 1999 archives of
this list. I'd like your thoughts on this idea. While this is a public
forum (of narrow scope, but open to all), you may not have been thinking
that your discussions would be preserved for posterity in this way. If
this is a concern, please feel free to discuss it either publicly on the
list, or privately with me.
If there are no objections, I'll create month-by-month archives on the
www.hurdygurdy.com website, and add a section to the list information
webpage about the archives so that everyone who joins knows about them.
I hope that you all are enjoying the New Year and have had no Y2K problems
with your hurdy-gurdies. ;-) (Had we had a little more time, we would
have included Certificates of Y2K Compliance with all of our instruments
this last year. Alas, it was not to be...)
Alden the Listmaster
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Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 14:02:07 -0500
From: Roy Trotter <rtlhf _at_ yahoo.com>
Subject: HG: Re: HG:
Hey, Nick,
Once again I find myself chipping in until the "big
guns" show up.
--- Nick Nourse <nick.mapworks _at_ frogwell.telinco.co.uk>
wrote:
> I am intending to produce (my first) HG from the
> Marcello Bono drawings of
> the Bosch model - ... can anyone tell me
> which way the grain
> runs in the bottom block?
I haven't built this one or seen the plans yet,so
everything is conjectual. I probably WILL in the near
future, so I need the discussion
> ...It seems more sensible to run the
> grain 'around' the
> instrument, or from rib to rib. This would be
> marginally stronger, and
> more aesthetically pleasing assuming the same
> material is used for the
> block as well as the ribs.
Probably
> I assume the grain in the top block runs top to
> bottom.
Beats me. On the Dewit I made the tailblock is carved
out of one piece.
> And, how thick should the front be, using European
> spruce?
If memory serves, in the 3.75mm range.
> Help much appreciated in advance, and anyone with
> more than a passing
> knowledge or experience of building from these
> drawings would be dead
> helpful.
Yes, please.
Later,
-Roy Trotter
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Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 17:32:21 -0500
From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net>
Subject: HG: Re: HG:
Nick wrote (and I meant to reply long since):
>Hi
>This is may seem a little basic to one or two of you out there, but I have
>a simple HG construction question to pose.
>I am intending to produce (my first) HG from the Marcello Bono drawings of
>the Bosch model - I am happy with most of the detail to begin to start some
>real work on the instrument, but, can anyone tell me which way the grain
>runs in the bottom block?
Let's make sure that we're talking about the same part. This is part 2B,
the tail block, right?
>Traditionally, as a violin maker, it would run top to bottom, or front to
>back. This seems to be very slightly inherently weak where the ribs (sides)
>enter the block. It seems more sensible to run the grain 'around' the
>instrument, or from rib to rib. This would be marginally stronger, and
>more aesthetically pleasing assuming the same material is used for the
>block as well as the ribs.
While I will of course bow to Marcello's knowledge if he says otherwise, I
would have the grain parallel to the grain of the side pieces, i.e.
"around" the instrument as you describe. It's also easier to shape the
curvature of the back and soundboard if you don't have to contend with
endgrain.
>I assume the grain in the top block runs top to bottom.
If this is the head block, 2A, then I would say there's no reason not to
have it also run "around".
>And, how thick should the front be, using European spruce?
3.0-3.5 mm is what Marcello gives in the parts list.
Best of luck with your instrument! Please keep us appraised of your
progress, and take pictures!
Alden
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Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 12:54:59 -0500
From: Steven Lane <bourgogne _at_ bourgogne.free-online.co.uk>
Subject: HG: Re: Administrivia - upcoming availability of archives
Alden - good idea.
I was going to write to request a copy of the correspondance about getting
a good sound from the trompette of a Siorat HG. I planned to read this but
my computer crashed and I lost all locally stored messages.
If you can me send this in advance I would be interested, otherwise this is
my candidate for archive access.
I have an alto Siorat.
Steve
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 02:35:26 -0500
From: <ghironda _at_ hotmail.com>
Subject: HG: Re: HG: Where the string touches the wheel
Hi
>Hello vielle players,
>How do you like to set up the way your strings (especially the chanters)
>touch the wheel rim? I heard that some players ( including Marcello) set
>it up so that the string touches heavier on the left side of the wheel
>(towards the head) than the right side. What would be the purpose of
>this?
Correct...I use to set up my chanter(s) in that way (but just a little
little bit...) while trompette and drones are set up so that they touches
heavier on the opposite side (the right one, towards the main bridge).
I use to do this because of several rasons
1) I think that in this way is much more easy to have a good response and
intonation all along the keyboard, expecially in treble keys
2) I play baroque music only (mostly...:o) so I need a clean, no loud sound,
and is impossible to have a clean sound if chanter touches heavier on the
right side.
3) In concert, if I need to change the balance between melody and trompette
or drones (according to the needs of music) I just put some rosin in a side
or in another.
>I have one instrument that is
>set up for the chanters to actually touch the wheel heavier on the right
>side (towards the bridge), but this is because of other geometric
>peculiarities. What results have people gotten by experimenting with
>this?
In my opinion this is not a good way to set up the chanters, some people
(beginners mostly) believe that this could be a good way to have "more"
sound...I believe this is a good way to have much more problems!...:o)
Happy new year (the last of THIS millenium, I guess :o)
Marcello
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 02:43:55 -0500
From: <ghironda _at_ hotmail.com>
Subject: HG: Re: HG:
Hi Nick
I'm Marcello Bono
All my best for your new instrument
>I am intending to produce (my first) HG from the Marcello Bono drawings of
>the Bosch model - I am happy with most of the detail to begin to start some
>real work on the instrument, but, can anyone tell me which way the grain
>runs in the bottom block?
Do you mean the part 2B?
>It seems more sensible to run the grain 'around' the
>instrument, or from rib to rib. This would be marginally stronger, and
>more aesthetically pleasing assuming the same material is used for the
>block as well as the ribs.
This is the way I made it (I used the same maple for both ribs and block)
>And, how thick should the front be, using European spruce?
what does "the front" mean?
Please let me more about it
ciao ciao
Marcello
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 04:30:27 -0500
From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net>
Subject: HG: Introductions
In editing the first month's worth of posts to the list, I came upon a
great suggestion: when people subscribe to the list, they should give a
little introduction about themselves and their interest in the instrument.
John Peekstok suggested that I include this in the information that you get
when you subscribe. I'd like to do this, but I don't have access to that
file ;-(
So, if you have haven't introduced yourself, I hope that you will do so.
Thank you.
Alden the Listmaster
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 04:30:27 -0500
From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net>
Subject: HG: Archives now available: Aug 99, Sept 99
Dear HG list,
I've placed the archives of the first two months of the list on the
hurdygurdy.com website. You can access them from the following page:
www.hurdygurdy.com/hg/listarch/hg_arch.html
More archives will be forthcoming as time permits.
Alden the Listmaster
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 12:07:14 -0500
From: Jason Baker <haku-jin _at_ ns.net>
Subject: HG: Re: Introductions
>So, if you have haven't introduced yourself, I hope that you will do so.
>Thank you.
I suppose this applies to me. ;)
Hi, I've been watching the list for awhile reading and learning what I can,
not being musically inclined. I don't own a vielle, don't have the budget
to buy one so I'm trying to get together the minimum number of tools needed
to build one. I have no musical experience whatsoever (except playing the
clarinet when I was 8 years old) and can't dance, my rythm is so poor.
I saw Ethan James at the San Luis Obispo Renaissance fair several years ago
and was taken in by his mastery of this mysterious noise making contraption.
He was accompanied by a woman, what instrument she was playing I can't tell
you because I wasn't paying a bit of attention to her, and was playing what
I remember as Elizabethan and original compositions in the Renaissance
style. I immediatly felt a need to make music.
After the set Mr. James weathered the barrage of questions that I posed to
him and was friendly if reserved. I bought a tape from him and listened to
the next set. I may have a faulty memory, but that was the most awsome and
inspiring time I have ever had at any historical event. I annoyed my caravan
mates with the tape for the entire 300 mile ride home.
No one I know can stomach the gurdy for any length of time let alone a whole
set, so I'm alone in my house in appreciation. I've been following Alden
and Cali's pages for awhile now, thought about building from Dennis
Havlena's plans for two years and the only music links in my bookmarks are
hurdy-gurdy links. I'm a nut!
I'm also running at the mouth...
Jason Baker
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:49:28 -0500
From: Nick Nourse <nick.mapworks _at_ frogwell.telinco.co.uk>
Subject: HG:
Hi all
Many thanks to those of you who replied either through this forum or
direct, with my question on the Bosch model HG and block grain - I am going
with Marcello's own advice, with a maple block, and grain around the body.
Another quick question for you all while I finish the mould and blocks;
what is the correct build sequence having completed the blocks and sides
(ribs)? Is it back on first, then the soundboard (front), or fit the
soundboard and have unrestricted access to fitting the axle, wheel and
bearings, and then fit the back? The drawing numbering sequence suggests
the former.
I will attempt to record the build sequence with the digital camera, and
place it on a web page once there are few worthwhile pictures to view - I
feel photo of a pile of sawdust doesn't count, yet.
Nick
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 15:34:14 -0500
From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net>
Subject: HG: Nick's Gurdy
Nick said:
>Another quick question for you all while I finish the mould and blocks;
>what is the correct build sequence having completed the blocks and sides
>(ribs)? Is it back on first, then the soundboard (front), or fit the
>soundboard and have unrestricted access to fitting the axle, wheel and
>bearings, and then fit the back? The drawing numbering sequence suggests
>the former.
We (Cali and I) definitely recommend this sequence:
Sides + tail block + head block + linings all together first
Glue in back braces
Glue on the back
Glue in the top linings, top braces and soundposts
Drill for the bearings
Fit the shaft, bearings and wheel
Position the soundboard relative to the wheel, holding in place with little
positioning pins at either end (the one at the head end will be covered by
the keybox, at the tail end by the tailpiece.)
Remove the wheel, and glue on the soundboard.
>I will attempt to record the build sequence with the digital camera, and
>place it on a web page once there are few worthwhile pictures to view - I
>feel photo of a pile of sawdust doesn't count, yet.
We'll look forward to pictures!
Alden
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:19:53 -0500
From: Judy V Olmstead <shanti _at_ thurston.com>
Subject: HG: Re: HG: Introductions
Hi -- I'm Judy Olmstead, living in Olympia, Washington, posting this on
1/10/00. I play hurdy-gurdy (G-C) and treble viola de gamba currently
though I've played a lot of other instruments in my day. Currently I'm
passionately in love with music from the Auvergne, the snakier the better.
I'm part of a 4-member band -- Arthur Hixson on bagpipe and recorder,
Phyllis Solter on fiddle, Riley McLaughlin in whistle & bass. Our name is
Feu de Joie, literally "fire of joy" or "bonfire." The name derives from
a Georges Brassens song celebrating the Auvergnat who among all the poor
people gave the singer wood for a fire when he was cold: "It wasn't more
than a little bit of wood, but it warmed my body; and in my soul it still
burns like a bonfire (et dans mon ame il brule encore, a la maniere d'un
feu de joie)." We're putting on a dance on April 30th here in Olympia with
help from our Seattle friends and have longer range plans to collaborate
with a newly forming modern dance company at some of their performances.
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 17:09:15 -0500
From: Ernst Kainzmeier <kainer _at_ chello.at>
Subject: HG: Re: Introductions
Hello there !
Well, I'll try to write a short introduction about me although I'm not so familiar in English !
(So please pardon me for my poor orthography!)
My name is Ernst Kainzmeier, I live in Vienna/Austria and learn and play hurdy - gurdy
for about two years. From that time untill now I take lessons from my teacher Simon Wascher.
He also invited me to join the hurdy-gurdy-list. I watch, read and learn from the list although
i don't understand all.
I own two hurdy-gurdys, both are self-made. The first HG i built in 1997 was a french-style
HG (drop form) with flat bottom, 1 melody string, trompette and 2 drones -a simple model
but with really good sound. The second HG i built in1999 was also a french-style HG with
flat bottom but with ornaments around the upper edge of the body (alternating dark and
bright wood = nut and maple), painted keybox lid and wheel cover and 6 strings (2
melody-strings, 2 drones, mouche and trompette) and also beautiful and, of course, strong
sound. Both HG's I built in an workshop under guidance of a foreman, each in one week.
I like to play french dance-tunes and also our native tunes and baroque tunes, too, but i
realize I'm still at the beginning. I really know that I'll need much more years playing and
practice but I'm on the way.
All the best to You list-members !
Regards
Ernst
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 20:00:29 -0500
From: Katie Roe <taddea _at_ wizards.com>
Subject: HG: Re: HG: Re: Introductions
>After the set Mr. James weathered the barrage of questions that I posed to
>him and was friendly if reserved. I bought a tape from him and listened to
>the next set. I may have a faulty memory, but that was the most awsome and
>inspiring time I have ever had at any historical event. I annoyed my caravan
>mates with the tape for the entire 300 mile ride home.
>
>No one I know can stomach the gurdy for any length of time let alone a whole
>set, so I'm alone in my house in appreciation. I've been following Alden
>and Cali's pages for awhile now, thought about building from Dennis
>Havlena's plans for two years and the only music links in my bookmarks are
>hurdy-gurdy links. I'm a nut!
>
>I'm also running at the mouth...
>
>Jason Baker
That's okay Jason. We do understand. I too fell in love with the HG at a
Renaissance fair in Southern California back in the mid 70's. A few years
ago I purchased a small instrument from Alden and Cali. I prefer to play
early music, but I make a stab at French dance tunes at least once a month.
I wish you the best of luck in acquiring an instrument all your own.
Fardles on those you don't like it. I think you have taste!
Katie Roe
Greater Seattle area
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 21:27:02 -0500
From: Judith Lindenau <judith _at_ taar.com>
Subject: HG: RE: Re: Introductions
Ernst: Welcome to the list! and lucky you, to study with Simon!
Judith
Judith Lindenau, CAE, RCE
www.judithlindenau.com
icq 6445710
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 02:38:22 -0500
From: <ghironda _at_ hotmail.com>
Subject: HG: Re: HG: Nick's Gurdy
>Nick said:
>
> >Another quick question for you all while I finish the mould and blocks;
> >what is the correct build sequence having completed the blocks and sides
> >(ribs)? Is it back on first, then the soundboard (front), or fit the
> >soundboard and have unrestricted access to fitting the axle, wheel and
> >bearings, and then fit the back? The drawing numbering sequence suggests
> >the former.
>
>We (Cali and I) definitely recommend this sequence:
>
>Sides + tail block + head block + linings all together first
>
>Glue in back braces
>
>Glue on the back
I agree!
but WARNING....the soundboard in not flat, so you have to work on the sides'
top line profile NOW (if you know what I mean)
>Glue in the top linings, top braces and soundposts
>
>Drill for the bearings
>
>Fit the shaft, bearings and wheel
>
>Position the soundboard relative to the wheel, holding in place with little
>positioning pins at either end (the one at the head end will be covered by
>the keybox, at the tail end by the tailpiece.)
>
>Remove the wheel, and glue on the soundboard.
ciao
Marcello
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 10:17:37 -0500
From: Judith Lindenau <judith _at_ taar.com>
Subject: HG: HG: Introductions
Hello....I'm Judith Lindenau, from Traverse City, Michigan. I came back to
music after a
twenty-year hiatus--I bagan playing hammered dulcimer about 6 years ago. I
also began playing
Irish flute and whistle as a portable alternative at music festivals and
sessions. I first heard the
hurdy gurdy when Ad Vielle Que Pourra came to a Northern Michigan music
festival...and I was
enchanted! I did internet research, found Alden and Cali Hackmann, and
bought an instrument
from them. I hadn't a clue about playing one, and so I travelled to Toronto
to Catherine Keenan's
great hurdy gurdy weekend...and met many players (including Alden and Cali)
who have remained
friends. Then I went to the Lark in the Morning Music Gathering and took
lessons with Ethan James,
and most recently met Simon Wascher in Vienna and took a lesson from him and
met some of his
musical friends, including the builder Wolfgang Wiechselbaumer. I was also
fortunate to be in
Seattle for Marcello Bono's concert last fall. I plan to spend a week in
Brittany next spring,
including some vielle research in my plans (all suggestions are welcome!)
We are developing a group of players here in Michigan: Michigan has several
acoustic music festivals, and we usually have 5-7 players at the "Gurdy
Gatherings" we hold. I'm also
in line for a new instrument from Alden and Cali, and (hopefully) a trip to
the Over the Water
Festival this fall.
Judith Lindenau
www.judithlindenau.com
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 10:45:37 -0500
From: <ghironda _at_ hotmail.com>
Subject: HG: Re: HG: HG: Introductions
>I was also
>fortunate to be in
>Seattle for Marcello Bono's concert last fall.
Glad to be a "fortune" for someone! :o)
Thanks a lot
Marcello
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 13:50:43 -0500
From: Xurxo Romani de Gabriel <jromanid _at_ medynet.com>
Subject: HG: Re: My presentation
I think I did this months ago, but let�s do it again...
My name is Xurxo Roman�.
I was born in Galicia, in northwestern Spain, a beautiful, green and misty land
which is considered "the celtic Spain". I first saw a HG when I was 8 years old.
In Galicia, the instrument was preserved till the 50�s by the old blind beggars
that wondered the streets and fairs, and it�s now experiencing a modest
recovery. I play bagpipes (gaita), mandola, mandolin, flutes, guitar, and three
years ago I started playing the HG, fulfilling an illusion I had since I was a
little child. I bought it from Jacky Rageade in Sanit Chartier. I live in
Barcelona since 1993, and the greatest advantage of living here is that THE
festival is so close to us. Of course I never miss it, and I expect to meet some
of you over there next july. I have attended workshops with Gilles Chabenat and
Nigel Eaton in Spain and France, but most of what I play I learnt it by myself.
I currently play in the folk group Ondina Xana. Our site is
http://www.geocities.com/paris/cafe/5429/oxwebpageeng.htm
Greetings
XURXO
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 21:20:27 -0500
From: "jvoblue _at_ webtv.net" <jvoblue _at_ webtv.net>
Subject: HG: Re: HG: Introductions
Hello from Toledo, Ohio.
I am a guitar collector and player who is fairly new to the hurdy-gurdy.
I don`t really know how it started, but I`ve gone crazy over these
strange and beautiful instruments. I have collected two large binders of
info off the internet and have purchased about a dozen CD`s of various
styles of music using the hurdy-gurdy.
I have completed one instrument from a kit and bought an economy
instrument off of eBay.
Needless to say, they both leave a lot to be desired so I am looking
forward to getting started on building the "Bosch" hurdy-gurdy from
Marcello`s plans. If all goes well I would like to build many more.
Regards,
Jim Oblander
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 22:59:57 -0500
From: David Smith <dtsmith _at_ wwnet.net>
Subject: HG: Introductions and a question
Hello Everyone,
My name is David Smith from Dearborn, Michigan USA. I have successfully
built a Hurdy Gurdy from a Musicmaker's Kit in 1994 and have been
playing it ever since. I have added a trompette that works well, as
well as drone stops so that I can play the diatonic (G) instrument in a
minor key (Em). Recently I also added 4 sympathetic strings.
I also play hammered dulcimer (which I built from scratch) with the
Silver Strings Dulcimer Society of Garden City, Michigan. Last year at
the three big dulcimer festivals in Michigan, there were HG workshops
organized by Judith Lindenau with up to five players, as well as a flock
of curious onlookers.
In 1996 I heard Matt Szostak perform in Ann Arbor, Michigan and was
completely captivated by the wonderful sounds, especially his use of the
trompette. In 1997 my wife, Theresa and I attended Catherine Keenan's
wonderful Hurdy Gurdy Weekend in Toronto, Canada. This was a turning
point in my interest in the HG as I listened to Catherine and others
play such hypnotic music. I have been hoping ever since that HG event
would be repeated!
I am mostly self taught and have been having a great time playing
predominantly French dance tunes which I have downloaded from the Massif
Village Orchestra web site in ABC music format.
I do have one question to pose. My instrument is diatonic and I have
been getting excited about wanting to play many of the tunes which shift
from major to minor or which have accidental notes. Therefore I have
been looking around for a chromatic instrument to build from a kit. I
noticed on the internet that two British companys, the "Early Music
Society" and "Renaissance Workshop Company" both offer a Henry III kit
which looks real nice. Has anyone out there had any experience either
good or bad with this kit?
Sincerely,
David Smith
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 02:14:42 -0500
From: <ghironda _at_ hotmail.com>
Subject: HG: Re: HG: Introductions and a question
Hi David
>My name is David Smith from Dearborn, Michigan USA.
>I noticed on the internet that two British companys, the "Early Music
>Society" and "Renaissance Workshop Company" both offer a Henry III kit
>which looks real nice. Has anyone out there had any experience either
>good or bad with this kit?
Me and a friend of mine made 2 Henry III kit (from EMS) something like 18 -
19 years ago.
I don't know if the kit is still the same.
Anyway, the kit had some "strange" arrangements in axle-bearings and
keyboard so I decided to "improve" it (different axle, different bearings
position, new wheel, new spruce soundboard ecc) while my friend made it just
like it was.
The two gurdies sounds the same, very loud, not so "polite", lot of
trompette, very good for dance music (I mean - music for dancers) and
"street musicians", not so good for the other...
When we made it, it was one of the best gurdy kit (in my opinion the best
one, but the others were really awful...:o)
ciao
Marcello
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 05:02:14 -0500
From: Marcello Bono <ghironda _at_ hotmail.com>
Subject: HG: Introductions
It's my turn....
I'm Marcello Bono, from Bologna, Italy (but I was born in Rome...).
I bagan playing 22 or 23 years ago (I can't remember...I'm 45 years old...)
mandolin, mandola, bouzuki, concertina, tenor banjo, hammered dulcimer and
others...I used to play the so called "celtic" music, lot of fun, lot of
concerts, lot of instruments, too many instruments...
Then I decided to play a concert using just one instrument (instead of
playing just 4 or 5 tunes each instrument).
I began playing hurdy-gurdies in 1981 and I started to make them too,
baroque copies mostly, since I love and play baroque music.
In 1989 I wrote a book about hurdy-gurdy, called "la Ghironda", then I made
some HG plans.
I'm not a professional maker and player, but I like to make and play HGs in
a professional way ("I like" is not the same as "I can" sometimes...).
I practised the baroque repertoire according to the most famous 18th century
French HG methods (Bouin, Dupuits, Corrette etc) and I've been baroque HG
instructor at Ancient Music Italian Federation courses in Urbino, from 1993
to 1996, then Alden and Cali Hackmann wrote me a letter (a PAPER letter!),
and it was the beginning of a new beautiful chapter of my musical life, whit
a lot of new friends.
...So I've been one of the instrustors at the Over the Water HG Festival
from 1997 to 1999 (...are you goig to fire me now or do I have to practise
some new sonatas for 2000 festival? :o)...
That's all for now...
Hope to see you all somewhere
ciao
Marcello
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....gira che ti rigira amore bello....
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 13:30:09 -0500
From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net>
Subject: HG: Re: HG: Introductions
Hi Marcello,
Practice, practice, practice. This year 2000 festival is going to be the
best one yet and the rest of them have been pretty wonderful.
For the rest of you who haven't been to the festival we have some truly
special teachers and participants. Marcello is a great teacher and a joy
to listen to. We welcome all of you to come and enjoy.
:-)----Cali Hackmann
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 20:02:12 -0500
From: R. T. Taylor <rtaylor _at_ amp.csulb.edu>
Subject: HG: Re: HG: Re: My presentation
Xurxo Romani de Gabriel wrote:
> I think I did this months ago, but let�s do it again...
>
> My name is Xurxo Roman�.
> I was born in Galicia, ........
> Our site is
> http://www.geocities.com/paris/cafe/5429/oxwebpageeng.htm
>
> Greetings
>
> XURXO
This is great. Nice web page.
Now I can picture a face with the name.
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Cafe/5429/xurxo.jpg
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 20:20:42 -0500
From: Alden Hackmann <darkstar _at_ u.washington.edu>
Subject: HG: Xurxo's pages
Finally had a chance to look at these pages, Xurxo - very nice! Everyone
should check out the "Hurdy-gurdy in Galicia" page at the bottom - it's in
Spanish, but if you don't read Spanish, no matter - there are some very
nice pictures. Check out the famous organistrum players of Santiago de
Compostela, and many others. As RT said, also check out the pictures of
OX, with Xurxo.
I really must update the links pages... <sigh>.
Alden F.M. Hackmann darkstar _at_ u.washington.edu
Web: http://www.hurdygurdy.com/hg/hghome.html
"Beati illi qui in circulum circumeunt, fient enim magnae rotae."
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 20:23:34 -0500
From: Alden Hackmann <darkstar _at_ u.washington.edu>
Subject: HG: Re: HG: Re: HG: Re: My presentation
Oops, forgot the URLS:
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Cafe/5429/oxwebpageeng.htm
for Xurxo and OX, and
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Cafe/5429/zanfona.html
for history of the zanfona in Galicia (and the rest of Europe)
Alden F.M. Hackmann darkstar _at_ u.washington.edu
Web: http://www.hurdygurdy.com/hg/hghome.html
"Beati illi qui in circulum circumeunt, fient enim magnae rotae."
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 21:59:25 -0500
From: R. T. Taylor <rtaylor _at_ amp.csulb.edu>
Subject: HG: Re: HG: Re: HG: Re: HG: Re: My presentation
Alden Hackmann wrote:
> Oops, forgot the URLS:
>
> http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Cafe/5429/oxwebpageeng.htm
>
> for Xurxo and OX, and
>
> http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Cafe/5429/zanfona.html
>
> for history of the zanfona in Galicia (and the rest of Europe)
OK, I speek a little Spanish. Everyone in Los Angeles does.
But I think you will find that these pages are not written in Spanish.
Try an other dialect.
How about Galician?
r.t.
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 02:57:05 -0500
From: Xurxo Romani de Gabriel <jromanid _at_ medynet.com>
Subject: HG: Re: HG: Re: HG: Re: HG: Re: HG: Re: My presentation
> OK, I speek a little Spanish. Everyone in Los Angeles does.
> But I think you will find that these pages are not written in Spanish.
> Try an other dialect.
> How about Galician?
>
>
> Correction: Galician is nor a dialect, it�s a language. The languages
> spoken n Spain are Castellano (what everyone knows as Spanish),
> Galician, Catalonian, and Euskera (basque). Some others are considered
> dialects: bable (in Asturias), aragon�s (in Arag�n), aran�s, balear (in
> several areas of the eastern coast), and many others... The variety of
> languages (and musics) among the Iberian territory is very wide.
You�ll find Galician very close to Portuguese. Actually, both languages
were the same till approximately the XIV century, and were originated in
Galicia-north of Portugal. Galician separated from Portuguese because of
political-administrative reasons, and created an own literature and
culture.
Well, enough phylology for today... Sorry for the off-topic, and let�s go
back to vielles.....
XURXO
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 03:12:30 -0500
From: Xurxo Romani de Gabriel <jromanid _at_ medynet.com>
Subject: HG: Re: HG: Xurxo's pages
Alden Hackmann escribi�:
> Finally had a chance to look at these pages, Xurxo - very nice! Everyone
> should check out the "Hurdy-gurdy in Galicia" page at the bottom - it's in
> Spanish, but if you don't read Spanish, no matter - there are some very
> nice pictures. Check out the famous organistrum players of Santiago de
> Compostela, and many others. As RT said, also check out the pictures of
> OX, with Xurxo.
Thank you. Most photos were taken while travelling to Santiago through the old
pilgrimage route with a mountain bike. There are HGs everywhere on churches
and cathedrals...
Try something else:
http://www.mustrad.org.uk/articles/alalas.htm
(about the Galician songs called Alalas, published in an online folk magazine)
There is a link to a photo that doesn�t work. Try here:
http://victorian.fortunecity.com/russell/801/feijoo.jpg
and
http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/russell/801/stch99.html
about the things I saw in St Chartier 1999. Also in Spanish, but the photos
are worth a visit.
See you
XURXO
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 10:13:19 -0500
From: "Ute.Ueberreiter _at_ aventis.com" <Ute.Ueberreiter _at_ aventis.com>
Subject: HG: famous festival ...
Sorry, maybe it has been asked already, but what famous festival in 2000 are
you talking about ?
When and where does it take place ?
regards,
Ute �berreiter
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 11:09:06 -0500
From: "Meador, John" <john.meador _at_ unistudios.com>
Subject: HG: RE: Re: HG: Re: HG: Re: HG: Re: HG: Re: My presentation
"Another generality, Another digression on this list"
a " from R.T.
> OK, I speek a little Spanish. Everyone in Los Angeles does.
One may think that "Everyone in L.A. speaks Spanish"
BUT this is not true.
John Meador
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 11:23:00 -0500
From: Marcello Bono <ghironda _at_ hotmail.com>
Subject: HG: that's why we play HG'....
>"Another generality, Another digression on this list"
>One may think that "Everyone in L.A. speaks Spanish" BUT this is not true.
>
>John Meador
It's my turn....
Noone in Italy speaks Italian....but R.T. (from L.A.) was able to read and
translate into english some frases of my Italian book ....:o)
Marcello
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 11:45:15 -0500
From: Catherine Keenan <cath _at_ pathcom.com>
Subject: HG: CD Release: ENSEMBLE POLARIS
Hi Folks,
I'm pleased to tell you that ENSEMBLE POLARIS has just released its first
CD, called MIDNIGHT SUN, on the Dorian label, this week. This Toronto group
plays folk tunes from northern countries in unique (Only from Canada!)
arrangements. We have a bunch of wonderful musicians in the band, and me
too! Playing hurdy gurdy.
MIDNIGHT SUN was released across Canada and the United States on January 11,
so ask for it at your favourite record store!
We're holding our CD launch here in Toronto next week. Please let me know if
you would like more information about that event.
cath
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 16:49:17 -0500
From: Xurxo Romani de Gabriel <jromanid _at_ medynet.com>
Subject: HG: Re: HG: famous festival ...
"Ute.Ueberreiter _at_ aventis.com" escribi�:
> Sorry, maybe it has been asked already, but what famous festival in 2000 are
> you talking about ?
> When and where does it take place ?
>
> regards,
> Ute �berreiter
It�s the "Festival de Maitres Sonneurs" of Saint Chartier, that takes place in a
little village in the center of France every July. It is an event that comprises
a wide exhibition on luthiery (mostly hurdy-gurdies and bagpipes from all over
Europe, but almost any instrument), and early, popular, anf folk music from all
over the world.
Take a look here:
http://trad.org/StChartier/
See you
XURXO
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 11:14:26 -0500
From: Roy Trotter <rtlhf _at_ yahoo.com>
Subject: HG: Re: HG: Re: HG: famous festival ...
> "Ute.Ueberreiter _at_ aventis.com" escribi�:
>
> >...what famous festival in 2000 are
> > you talking about ?
> > When and where does it take place ?
>
Xurxo Romani de Gabriel <jromanid _at_ medynet.com> wrote:
>
> It�s the "Festival de Maitres Sonneurs" of Saint
> Chartier...
>
> See you
> XURXO
>
If I may split a hair here: the FAMOUS FESTIVAL is
indeed at St. Chartier. The "famous festival" that
Marcello is teaching at (learning sonatas for) is the
"Over The Water Hurdy Gurdy Festival" on the shores of
Puget Sound in Washington state. It occurs in late
September.
I'm having a hard time chasing links now, so I'll get
back with that later, unless somebody else (hint,
hint) beats me to it.
Later
-Roy
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 15:51:06 -0500
From: Chiara Negro <ghiro_chi _at_ yahoo.com>
Subject: HG: My presentation
Ciao!
My name is Chiara Negro ( this is a very ancient
Piedmont's name ! ). I live in Ivrea, Canavese,
Piedmont,Italy ). I play hurdygurdy from four years,
and my boyfriend is an harmonica player, my band is
called " Miasse & Salignun " ( a sort of tortilla with
cheese of our country ) , and we play Piedmont and
French traditional music .
In our region are a lot of hurdygurdy players : I also
play with an hurdygurdy orchestra directed by Igor
Ferro ( the best ).
My hurdygurdy is created in '97 by Paolo Coriani (
Modena, Italy ). I' m sorry for my poor english , mais
je parle tr�s bien fran�ais!
Ciao a tutti da Chiara e Paolo.
__________________________________________________
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:26:48 -0500
From: "Maxoubbn _at_ aol.com" <Maxoubbn _at_ aol.com>
Subject: HG: Re : HG: My presentation
Hello !
I'm Maxou, playing H.G. & Bagpipe with "La Chavann�e"
I like to speak english (I prefer french), but I have some problems to write
it easily...
I decide that I will introduce myself "live" next Saint-Chartier : I offer a
beer (or anything else, except champagne) at the drinking place, to anyone of
the H.G. list who will travel more than 2000 km to be there ! (sorry for thr
frenchies... I'm only a math teacher, with not a lot of money, and the French
H.G. players are really drinking a lot, except one or two). And we will
discuss about H.G., music, world's future, ...
Just send me this message : "I will be there"
And we can manage to do there some small & funny event...
I hope you will be a lot (less than 250, please)
Maxou
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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 04:45:44 -0500
From: Xurxo Romani de Gabriel <jromanid _at_ medynet.com>
Subject: HG: Re: HG: Re : HG: My presentation
> I decide that I will introduce myself "live" next Saint-Chartier : I offer a
> beer (or anything else, except champagne) at the drinking place, to anyone of
> the H.G. list who will travel more than 2000 km to be there !
To me it�s not even 1000 Km, because I come from Barcelona. Never mind, beer and
cyder is almost the only possibility in Saint Chartier, but I usually carry 10
liters of Galician "augardente" (grappa) that will assure us some hours of music
and drink.
See you there
Xurxo
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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 05:02:39 -0500
From: Frank Vickers <Frank _at_ vickhast.demon.co.uk>
Subject: HG: My Presentation
Hi list
I've been lurking here in the background.
I live in Norwich UK. I currently organise the French music & dance
group in Norwich called Pied a Terre. I'm also one of the organisers of
the Massif Village Orchestra (now standing at 121 members).
I have had a Gurdy (Chris Eaton) for about 3 years, or is it 4, and
think I'm beginning to learn how to play. I am in a band called Xim.
We write, play and arrange our own stuff - mainly for French type dance
(with a few called dances for the Ceilidh/English dancers).
You can see silly pictures of us and the dates of our gigs here:
http://www.vickhast.demon.co.uk/xim1.htm
I think being in any sort of band helps you in the learning process -
you have deadlines and objectives that you have to meet - and further
more the rest of the band are relying on you!
(If you're an MVO member and are reading this you may have noticed it
has all gone very quiet - we are negotiating for a UK Festival for 2000.
I can't let the cat out of the bag yet but keep the end of August free
in your diaries.)
Frank
Frank Vickers
Norwich, UK
tel +44 (0)1603 505910/441050
fax +44 (0)870 052 3751
http://www.vickhast.demon.co.uk/xim1.htm
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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 22:42:07 -0500
From: "ToAndy _at_ aol.com" <ToAndy _at_ aol.com>
Subject: HG: posting
If this is the posting - then, we import Hurdy Gurdys form 2 famous Italian
crafters.
Andys Music Store
2310 West Belmont
Chicago, Illinois 60618
773-868-1234
773-478-4604 andy direct
773-478-4624 fax
ToAndy _at_ aol.com my email
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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 01:56:58 -0500
From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net>
Subject: HG: Re: HG: Re : HG: My presentation
Maxou said:
>I decide that I will introduce myself "live" next Saint-Chartier : I offer a
>beer (or anything else, except champagne) at the drinking place, to anyone
of
>the H.G. list who will travel more than 2000 km to be there !
...
>I hope you will be a lot (less than 250, please)
I wish we could take you up on this, Maxou! We were at St. Chartier last
year, and I don't think we can make it this year ;-( ;-(
Alden
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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 01:56:59 -0500
From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net>
Subject: HG: THAT famous festival
Roy said:
>>
>If I may split a hair here: the FAMOUS FESTIVAL is
>indeed at St. Chartier. The "famous festival" that
>Marcello is teaching at (learning sonatas for) is the
>"Over The Water Hurdy Gurdy Festival" on the shores of
>Puget Sound in Washington state. It occurs in late
>September.
Thanks for the clarification, Roy.
I can tell you that the Fifth Annual Over The Water Hurdy-Gurdy Festival is
being planned as we speak. At this time our hurdy-gurdy instructor list
includes Pierre Imbert, Marcello Bono, and RT Taylor. We also have a very
good chance of arranging for Gilles Chabenat to perform and teach this
year. Our French Dance event, Voulez-vous Danser, is taught by Marilyn
Smith.
The dates are September 19-24, 2000, and the location is Fort Flagler State
Park, close to Seattle.
The website URL for the festival is http://members.aol.com/~vielle/, though
this year's information isn't up yet, as our committee web person has been
very busy with moving into a new house.
Alden
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 02:06:09 -0500
From: Marcello Bono <ghironda _at_ hotmail.com>
Subject: HG: Re: HG: My presentation
>Ciao!
>My name is Chiara Negro ( this is a very ancient
>Piedmont's name ! ). I live in Ivrea, Canavese,
>Piedmont,Italy ).
Hi Chiara
nice to see you here!
Marcello
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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 18:54:54 -0500
From: Pello Garcia <pellog _at_ jazzfree.com>
Subject: HG: Presentation
Hi there !!
Excuse my terrible english, too !! ;-)
My name is Pello and I play a Siorat's electroacustic HG of eight strings (3
melody, 2 trumpets, 3 standard drones). I had time ago a cheaper model of HG
("vielle d'etude") wich our friend Xurxo sold to me.
I also play other instruments as bagpipes (uilleann pipe, scorttish
smallpipe, galician gaita, bulgarian gaida,..) and flutes (scandinavian
selyefloyte, low & tin whistles and tabor pipes from some countries)...Well,
as you can guess I love "drone music".
I play in a celtic band called Slainte since 1992, and in another folk band
closer to continental music than to celtic music.
Oops ! I almost forgot it.. I live in Barcelona - Catalonia - Spain -
Europe - Planet Erath - Milky Way - Univers
Let's keep the wheel turning !!
pellog _at_ jazzfree.com * SL�INTE *
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 03:19:26 -0500
From: Christina Wright <ccwright _at_ halcyon.com>
Subject: HG: Re: HG: Presentation
Dear Hurdy Gurdy List,
My name is Christina Wright and I live in Seattle, Washington, USA.
I play a hurdy gurdy made by Alden and Cali Hackman, and I am still a
beginner. But I am a beginner who began by dancing at Saint Chartier and
Gennetines. So, I find I can sing lots of the traditional tunes, which is
a big help.
I, too, am a math teacher, though I teach teachers to teach.
(How's that for a mouthful of English?) Maxou, I will be delighted to take
you up on your offer next summer, as I intend to travel considerably more
than 2000 km to be at St. Chartier. I find that I write French very poorly,
but I enjoy speaking it very much. I'm your American corollary, except
that I don't play French music anywhere near as well.
In Seattle, we have begun a hurdy gurdy dance band and my husband,
Luther Black, and I teach French dances. This is somewhat silly, as I am
not French. But I have taken careful video tapes (with permission, of
course) and I use them to supplement my notes and my memory.
When I don't play my hurdy gurdy, I sing American Swing music in a
dance band.
Greetings to Marcello.
My best,
Christina Wright
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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:38:31 -0500
From: Frank Vickers <Frank _at_ vickhast.demon.co.uk>
Subject: HG: Re: HG: My presentation
Hi Chiara
>My name is Chiara Negro ( this is a very ancient
>Piedmont's name ! ). I live in Ivrea, Canavese,
>Piedmont,Italy ). I play hurdygurdy from four years,
>and my boyfriend is an harmonica player, my band is
>called " Miasse & Salignun " ( a sort of tortilla with
>cheese of our country ) , and we play Piedmont and
>French traditional music .
>In our region are a lot of hurdygurdy players : I also
>play with an hurdygurdy orchestra directed by Igor
>Ferro ( the best ).
I was thinking of visiting Italy - do you know of any festivals in Italy
during Easter time (21 - 24 April)? Or is there a web site I can find
out about this sort of thing?
Frank
Frank Vickers
Norwich, UK
tel +44 (0)1603 505910/441050
fax +44 (0)870 052 3751
http://www.vickhast.demon.co.uk/xim1.htm
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Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 15:52:57 -0500
From: Chiara Negro <ghiro_chi _at_ yahoo.com>
Subject: HG: Re: My presentation and other things
Hi Marcello, I'm also glad to see you here!
Dear List,
I've met Marcello for the first time at 4/1/2000, but
I knew him already from his book ( La Ghironda ), that
I read many time. That is for me very important in
hurdygurdy learning. At the beginning ( and sometimes
now ) it seems to me like taming a wild horse.
I also read the Maxou's book on the " vielle en r� "
and I start doing the exercises on scottish, but at
the moment for me is very difficult to reach an
indipendence of the hands.
Wich are yours difficulties in learning at the
beginning?
Hi Maxou, I will be THERE ! But my journey is only 700
Km, can I have 1/3 of beer ?
Hi Frank, for festivals in Italy and more you can see
at : Traditional Arranged ,
http://users.iol.it/trad-arr
( also in english )
Ciao! Chiara
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Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 16:14:40 -0500
From: "Maxoubbn _at_ aol.com" <Maxoubbn _at_ aol.com>
Subject: HG: Re : HG: Re: My presentation and other things
OK for 1/3 of a beer. I'll drink the 2/3 left.
Don't miss the first evening (Gilles Chabenat & friends, it will be great...)
See you there. We'll discuss about the beginner's problems.
Maxou
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Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 18:14:44 -0500
From: R. T. Taylor <rtaylor _at_ amp.csulb.edu>
Subject: HG: independence - disassociation of the hands
Chiara Negro wrote:
> I also read the Maxou's book on the " vielle en r� "
> and I start doing the exercises on scottish, but at
> the moment for me is very difficult to reach an
> indipendence of the hands.
> Wich are yours difficulties in learning at the
> beginning?
>
In America, we say that someone that can not dance has "two left feet"
Maybe our difficulty with the independence is that we have "two left
hands".
Since I played for many years without trying to play the right and left
hands independently, it has been very difficult to learn. When I am
more relaxed it is easier to do successfully. It does take a lot of
practice or good luck. I find that for me, it is easier for me to
gradually learn to disassociate the two hands by playing a tune that I
know very well. I start with just one coup at the top. And then play the
tune with one coup at the bottom.
I then try playing the coup on the beat and then I play it off the beat.
I just use this as an exercise, not because it sounds good.
My friend Penny Cloud and I have been practicing the same melodies and
rhythm patterns together. It makes it a lot more fun to have a good
partner to practice with. And it good to play the tune many times even
if you can only get the independence on a few beats.
I hope that you have Maxou's book and also the audio tape. The tape
makes it very clear what the exercise sould sound like.
> Hi Frank, for festivals in Italy and more you can see
> at : Traditional Arranged ,
> http://users.iol.it/trad-arr
> ( also in english )
Well this is a web page that I did not know about. Looks very useful
with lots of links and information.
Thanks.
r.t.
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Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 20:13:18 -0500
From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net>
Subject: HG: Independence of left and right
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Chiaro said:
>I also read the Maxou's book on the " vielle en r� "
>and I start doing the exercises on scottish, but at
>the moment for me is very difficult to reach an
>indipendence of the hands.
I think this is one of the hardest things to learn. My wife Cali and I
have different opinions on the best way to learn the coup and integrate it
with the music - since she is better, I must conclude that either her way
is right or she found more time to practice!
I learned the coup from Pierre Imbert. Every year at the festival or when
I get a lesson from him, I find that the rhythm patterns he teaches are
easier. BUT even though I find that I know how to play a particular
pattern, playing it with the tune is a whole other story. I'm just
starting to not have to think too much about the right hand - just enough
that it does what I want.
I think it's important to learn the "rhythm on the right, tune on the left"
from the beginning. Cali thinks it's more important to learn to play with
one buzz per note and then branch out.
The scottische has a particularly nice feeling in the right hand - when
you've got it, it's very satisfying. I think it's harder to learn than the
2X bourree. Your mileage (kilometerage?) may vary.
Alden
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 05:55:30 -0500
From: Simon Wascher <simon.wascher _at_ chello.at>
Subject: HG: Re: HG: Re: My presentation and other things
Hello,
Chiara Negro schrieb:
(...)
Maxou's book on the " vielle en r� "
Iam courious about this book. I know several tutorial books (mostly in german)
and since I teach hurdy gurdy, I am interested in each tutorial book because
each student reacts different on a specific method.
I have heard that there is a translation into english of maxous book,
(english is much more common here) so, if there is a translation, where
can I get a copy?.
(should be an international distributer or a complete publishing information
which I can use at the local international bookshops)
Simon Wascher
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