Hurdy-gurdy Mailing List - August 2000
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Our deepest thanks to Maxou Heintzen for this fabulous photograph, taken at Saint-Cloud near Paris in 1957 by an unknown photographer.
The following are the archives of the Hurdy-gurdy Mailing List, sponsored by Alden and Cali Hackmann of Olympic Musical Instruments.
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 19:35:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Roy Trotter <rtlhf _at_ yahoo.com>
Subject: [HG] Well, Good
I'm real happy to see the list back, on it's on merits
and also: I've hit a slump on my gurdymaking and need
some St. C or (any other stories)for motivation.
Thanks in advance for your help.
Roy T.
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Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 23:11:52 -0700
From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net>
Subject: [HG] Hello, hello,
Check, one-two, check, one-two, is this thing on?
Alden the Listmaster
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Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 15:53:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: Roy Trotter <rtlhf _at_ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] Hello, hello,
Seems to be working now. I rcvd the majordomo msg
yesterday, and sent one out, but I'm not sure it went
anywhere...'specially since you had to ask....
Welcome back, I've missed the dialogue. Looking
forward to St.C. reports.
Later, Roy T.
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Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 16:25:23 -0700
From: george swallow <swallow _at_ beechcottage98.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [HG] Hello, hello,
Loud and clear. Glad to have you back.
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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 09:13:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: SB/JW <duodrone _at_ earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] yet another test
Receiving you loud and clear. Over and out.
Juan
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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 18:28:20 +0200
From: Ernst Kainzmeier <kainer _at_ chello.at>
Subject: Re: [HG] yet another test
Hello! nice to have the list back! everything alright here in Vienna!
�
Ernst
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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 18:22:25 +0100
From: rose daly <rose.daly _at_ virgin.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] yet another test
Reading loud and clear - didyou get the last message about the photo from
Saint-Chartier?
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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 23:24:50 +0200
From: C.Westbroek <bourree _at_ hetnet.nl>
Subject: Re: [HG] Hello, hello,
Even in Holland we can read you.
Nice to have "the list" back
Cor.
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Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:23:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alden Hackmann <darkstar _at_ u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [HG] yet another test
Rose said:
> Reading loud and clear - didyou get the last message about the photo from
> Saint-Chartier?
I got it - great photo! I'll be posting it on the website presently ;-)
Alden
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Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 15:19:23 -0700
From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net>
Subject: [HG] Photo from St. Chartier
Rose Daly was kind enough to send a photo of some very wet-looking
list-members. I put it on the website for all to see:
http://www.hurdygurdy.com/hg/listarch/StC2000_1.html
Thank you Rose!
I need some help identifying the people I don't know or whose names have
slipped my mind.
Alden
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Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 08:36:04 +0200
From: Ernst Kainzmeier <kainer _at_ chello.at>
Subject: Re: [HG] Photo from St. Chartier
Hi Rose, Hi Alden!
�
Thanks for sending and posting the St.Chartier photo, I'm sorry I wasn't
there. You're looking really wet but in Your hands I recognize remedies
against bad weather....
However, the guy in the transparent, white looking raincoat (fifth from
left) isn't Stephane Rabier, it is Simon Wascher (the only one I know).
�
Regards from Vienna
�
Ernst
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Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 06:13:27 -0400
From: Judith Lindenau <judith _at_ taar.com>
Subject: [HG] It's Simon!
The fellow in the transparent raincoat is
Simon Wascher, from Vienna. Simon hasn't
posted to this list in a long time...glad to
see he is well and--obviously--happy.
judith
Judith Lindenau, CAE, RCE
Traverse Area Association of Realtors
http://www.taar.com
icq 6445710
MAILTO:judith _at_ taar.com
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Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 13:25:22 -0300
From: kaiser <kmkaiser _at_ usp.br>
Subject: Re: [HG] Hello, hello,
Alden & Cali Hackmann wrote:
>
> Check, one-two, check, one-two, is this thing on?
HELLO. Greetings from Brasil.
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Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:50:07 -0700
From: "Meador, John" <john.meador _at_ unistudios.com>
Subject: RE: [HG] Hello, hello,
Are you really in Brazil ?
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Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 20:05:05 +0100
From: rose daly <rose.daly _at_ virgin.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] Photo from St. Chartier
Hi Alden and everyone
Left to right in the photo: Maxou, Chris (front), Brian Tilley, a gentleman
whose name I'm afraid I've forgotten, Simon, me, Dave Bawden, RT.
Yes, it really bucketed down for the first couple of days (and we were
camping!) but it cleared up a bit for the weekend. So of course our hurdy
gurdies could not be included in the photocall. We were drinking the rather
excellent French cider, Ernst!
This was my first time at Saint-Chartier - the overall impression of the
place was of a huge orchestra tuning up and a huge audience talking against
it - night time as well! The atmosphere was great, despite the weather.
Unfortunately I can't make the Over the Water festival this year, time and a
new job do not permit, but maybe next year ...
Rose
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Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:33:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alden Hackmann <darkstar _at_ u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [HG] Photo from St. Chartier
Thanks for the update, Rose, wish we could have been there to get rained
on! Last year was our first St. Chartier, and we had a great time
(though of course too much to do, not enough time...). Hope we can make
it next year (2001, a hurdy-gurdy odyssey) and definitely hope we'll see
you on this side of the pond.
I'll update the webpage... soon... really...
Alden F.M. Hackmann darkstar _at_ u.washington.edu
Web: http://www.hurdygurdy.com/hg/hghome.html
"Beati illi qui in circulum circumeunt, fient enim magnae rotae."
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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 00:31:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: SB/JW <duodrone _at_ earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] Photo from St. Chartier
>Hi Alden and everyone
>
>Left to right in the photo: Maxou, Chris (front), Brian Tilley, a gentleman
>whose name I'm afraid I've forgotten, Simon, me, Dave Bawden, RT.
>
>Yes, it really bucketed down for the first couple of days (and we were
>camping!) but it cleared up a bit for the weekend. So of course our hurdy
>gurdies could not be included in the photocall. We were drinking the rather
>excellent French cider, Ernst!
>
>This was my first time at Saint-Chartier - the overall impression of the
>place was of a huge orchestra tuning up and a huge audience talking against
>it - night time as well! The atmosphere was great, despite the weather.
>
>Unfortunately I can't make the Over the Water festival this year, time and a
>new job do not permit, but maybe next year ...
>
>Rose
Hello everyone,
I am amazed that we have a member of the hurdy gurdy community called
Brian Tilley. Some of you may remember an Englishman who lived in
California about ten years ago who made & played hurdy gurdies called Bryan
Tolley. Bryan now lives in France and I wonder if the gentleman in the
picture could possibly be him (it does not look like the Bryan I remember,
but then there is a lot of facial hair there and it has been about ten
years since I last saw him) or maybe its just one of those similar
name/similar taste weird coincidence thingies.
Intrigued,
Juan
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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 04:59:23 -0700
From: R. T. Taylor <rtaylor _at_ amp.csulb.edu>
Subject: Re: [HG] Photo from St. Chartier
No way can you confuse Mr. Tilley and Mr. Tolley.
Mr. Tilley plays Hurdy gurdy at St. Chartier and Mr. Tolly is now a Flaminco
dancer.
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Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:06:19 -0700
From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net>
Subject: [HG] Stolen HG in Vancouver BC
Dear HG list,
I just got email from Barb Dwyer, an Australian who was touring Canada with
her hurdy-gurdy. On the eve of her departure she had her hurdy-gurdy
stolen in Vancouver BC.
Description: Guitar shaped, 17 Century replica
Maker: Jean Claude Boudet
Year : 1985
Colour: orange with ebony keyboard cover, inlaid bone and ebony striped
border on exterior, very ornate all over, female head carved into the
headpiece.
I will be putting some pictures of the instrument up on the HG website, and
I'll post the URL to the list. If you are in the Pacific Northwest, (or
anywhere else, as a matter of fact) please keep your eyes open for this
hurdy-gurdy. Barb is very upset about having it stolen, and we are hoping
that it will be returned to her as soon as possible.
Thank you for your help.
Alden
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Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 00:36:27 -0700
From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net>
Subject: [HG] Stolen HG photos
Photos of Barb Knudsen's hurdy-gurdy which was stolen can be seen at
http://www.hurdygurdy.com/hg/listarch/barb_hg.html
Alden
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Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 07:50:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: SB/JW <duodrone _at_ earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] Photo from St. Chartier
>No way can you confuse Mr. Tilley and Mr. Tolley.
>Mr. Tilley plays Hurdy gurdy at St. Chartier and Mr. Tolly is now a Flaminco
>dancer.
Hmmm....
Brian Tilley and Bryan Tolley
Roy Shrive and Roy Shreeve
Hurdy and Gurdy
Coincidences?
We don't think so.
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Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:43:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alden Hackmann <darkstar _at_ u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [HG] Photo from St. Chartier
Juan said:
> Hmmm....
> Brian Tilley and Bryan Tolley
> Roy Shrive and Roy Shreeve
> Hurdy and Gurdy
> Coincidences?
> We don't think so.
It's all part of the Great Drone Conspiracy. The goal is to put drone
instruments in everyone's life. The Industrial Revolution was just the
beginning of this multi-generational plot: it put artificial drone sounds
in the homes and lives of billions of people. Listen to your computer
humming away, and the air conditioner, and the refrigerator... ;-)
Alden, Drone Conspiracy Theorist
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Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 14:20:05 -0400
From: Judith Lindenau <judith _at_ taar.com>
Subject: [HG] Great Drone Conspiracy
Well, fine! I think the hurdygurdy list needs a t-shirt/hat.
Some sort of logo, with "The Great Drone Conspiracy" underneath it.
Then we could find each other at Hurdy Gurdy Festivals....
judith
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Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 21:46:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Roy Trotter <rtlhf _at_ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] Photo from St. Chartier
--- Alden Hackmann <darkstar _at_ u.washington.edu> wrote:
>
> It's all part of the Great Drone Conspiracy. The
> goal is to put drone
> instruments in everyone's life. The Industrial
> Revolution was just the
> beginning of this multi-generational plot: it put
> artificial drone sounds
> in the homes and lives of billions of people.
> Listen to your computer
> humming away, and the air conditioner, and the
> refrigerator... ;-)
>
> Alden, Drone Conspiracy Theorist
>
Suddenly I'm remembering a banjo player; standing
under a flourescent light to tune up. Always suspected
he was up to something...
Roy T.
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Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 08:38:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alden Hackmann <darkstar _at_ u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [HG] Photo from St. Chartier
Roy said:
> Suddenly I'm remembering a banjo player; standing
> under a flourescent light to tune up. Always suspected
> he was up to something...
See, it all starts to make sense once you know what to look for.
There was a program on NPR's "This American Life" about the 5 senses. In
the "hearing" segment, there was an interview with a guy who had started
listening to all the drones and tones in his office and home: the
air-conditioning, the hum of the computer, the dial tone of his
phone, the whirr of the fridge, the beep of the microwave. He
made the point that our generation has never known a time when there
wasn't constant noise of some sort in our environment.
"Would you like this refrigerator in the G or B-flat model?"
Alden
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Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 18:51:02 +0200
From: Ernst Kainzmeier <kainer _at_ chello.at>
Subject: Re: [HG] Great Drone Conspiracy
In connection with the idea to create an HG t-shirt I remember a few
years ago at the Kremsmuenster festival I saw a guy (maybe it was Simon
Wascher) wearing an t-shirt with a "Bordunator" - writing, using the
German word "Bordun" which means "Drone".
�
Ernst
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Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:26:48 -0600
From: Arle R. Lommel <fenevad _at_ ttt.org>
Subject: Re: [HG] Great Drone Conspiracy
Need a secret handshake so that those in the Conspiracy can recognize
one another...
Perhaps something involving rotary motion...
-Arle
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Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:31:20 -0700
From: jjandr _at_ netzero.net
Subject: Re: [HG] Great Drone Conspiracy
Well, actually there IS a secret handshake... We've been using it for years,
but it sounds like you would recognize it if you saw it.
Joanne
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Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 12:27:17 -0700
From: jjandr _at_ netzero.net
Subject: Re: [HG] Photo from St. Chartier
In one study where people were asked to relax and sing the note that came
most naturally, American and Canadians mostly sang Bb, where Europeans
mostly sang G#. It turns out that these are the frequencies that
electricity operates on in these areas. I tried it when I first read it,
and it was spooky - Bb. It's all around us.........
Joanne
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Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 12:44:27 -0700
From: R. T. Taylor <rtaylor _at_ amp.csulb.edu>
Subject: Re: [HG] Photo from St. Chartier
> In one study where people were asked to relax and sing the note that came
> most naturally, American and Canadians mostly sang Bb, where Europeans
> mostly sang G#. It turns out that these are the frequencies that
> electricity operates on in these areas. I tried it when I first read it,
> and it was spooky - Bb. It's all around us.........
I tried it and I split the difference. I sing in A. It must be all that
traveling to France.
r.t.
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Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 12:59:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alden Hackmann <darkstar _at_ u.washington.edu>
Subject: [HG] The Great Drone Conspiracy
Joanne said:
> In one study where people were asked to relax and sing the note that came
> most naturally, American and Canadians mostly sang Bb, where Europeans
> mostly sang G#. It turns out that these are the frequencies that
> electricity operates on in these areas. I tried it when I first read it,
> and it was spooky - Bb. It's all around us.........
Sure enough, what comes out of the wall in North America is 60 Hz (that
ever-present "60-cycle hum") and 58.27 Hz is B-flat.
The Europeans have 50 Hz, and 49.00 Hz is G.
So we're all a little sharp. ;-)
Alden
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Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 13:01:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alden Hackmann <darkstar _at_ u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [HG] Photo from St. Chartier
RT said
> I tried it and I split the difference. I sing in A. It must be all that
> traveling to France.
Either that or all that Hungarian music you've been doing lately has
affected your brain. ;-) Isn't one of the tekero drones in A?
Alden
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Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 13:55:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alden Hackmann <darkstar _at_ u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [HG] Great Drone Conspiracy
Arle said,
> Need a secret handshake so that those in the Conspiracy can recognize
> one another...
> Perhaps something involving rotary motion...
Yes, but how do you decide who goes backward and who goes forward? Or do
you stand behind/in front of the other person facing the same way so you
both go forward?
Alden
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Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 14:13:09 -0700
From: "Meador, John" <john.meador _at_ unistudios.com>
Subject: RE: [HG] Great Drone Conspiracy
The secret handshake should follow the universal laws of physics...
If in the northern hemisphere, the handshake will be in a clockwise
direction
( rotation) .
Conversely, in the southern hemisphere, the handshake will proceed in a
counter-clockwise direction.
If you happen to be on the equator, then there will be no rotational
parameters.
J. Meador
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Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:19:54 +0000
From: jenlord <jenlord _at_ earthlink.net>
Subject: [HG] over the water
8/16/00
Greetings to all of good heart!
I fly into Seattle on 8/19, bound for the wizardry, mirth and magic of
the "Over the Water" gathering of stalwarts. Would delight in splitting
car costs from Seattle with anyone headed in similar direction, and I
promise not to sing!
Casey Clapp
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Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 14:24:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: SB/JW <duodrone _at_ earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] Great Drone Conspiracy
Wait, there's more:
The drone pipe on a Galician gaita is called a 'roncon' which means snorer.
The trompette string on a German hurdy gurdy is called a 'Schnarrsaite'
which means snoring string. Both are drones and snorers and... SNORED is an
anagram of DRONES....why am I not surprised?
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZOm
(in G major)
Juan
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Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:30:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alden Hackmann <darkstar _at_ u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [HG] over the water
Casey's message serves as a great lead-in for me to remind you all of the
upcoming Over the Water Hurdy-Gurdy Festival (try saying that 10 times
fast...). As I'm sure everyone remembers, this event occurs on September
19-24, at Fort Flagler State Park. We are in our fifth year, and this
year we are pleased to have Pierre Imbert and Marcello Bono returning to
teach us even more, and to have Cliff Stapleton from England as our
special guest instructor. This event includes a weekend of French Dance
instruction from Marilyn Smith, and a Bal Folk with music by the largest
hurdy-gurdy band in North America.
OTW is also having a French Dance in Seattle on September 8, and is
sponsoring a concert by Cliff Stapleton in September as well.
For more details about these events, please visit the OTW website at
http://members.aol.com/~vielle/
Hope to see you there!
Alden F.M. Hackmann darkstar _at_ u.washington.edu
Web: http://www.hurdygurdy.com/hg/hghome.html
"Beati illi qui in circulum circumeunt, fient enim magnae rotae."
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 06:35:21 -0400
From: Judith Lindenau <judith _at_ taar.com>
Subject: RE: [HG] over the water
See you there, Casey...but a month later...
you ARE anxious.
judith
Judith Lindenau, CAE, RCE
Traverse Area Association of Realtors
http://www.taar.com
icq 6445710
MAILTO:judith _at_ taar.com
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:01:29 EDT
From: APeekstok _at_ aol.com
Subject: Re: [HG] over the water
In a message dated 8/16/00 10:30:55 PM, darkstar _at_ u.washington.edu writes:
>For more details about these events, please visit the OTW website at
>http://members.aol.com/~vielle/
A small correction--the address is http://members.aol.com/vielle
(no squiggle)
Cheers,
Anna Peekstok
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:40:35 EDT
From: APeekstok _at_ aol.com
Subject: [HG] Silver Gurdy
Hi all,
For those of us who like to sport our bizarre musical tastes on our sleeves
(or around our necks), I just ran across an online source for a silver (or
gold-plated) hurdy-gurdy pendant and thought I'd pass it along:
http://home.swipnet.se/bjornbjorn/bjorn/Silvereng.htm
(if you don't see the hurdy-gurdy right away, scroll down)
Cheers,
Anna Peekstok
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 20:41:45 -0400
From: Bruce and Mary Nail <bnail _at_ up.net>
Subject: [HG] Great Lakes Gurdyphile Survey
Well, here it goes. hope I'm doing this right.
There's a small museum in upper Michigan called the Father Marquette
National Memorial and New France Discovery Center. The Museum Burned this
Spring, but the State has continued to host special programming at memorial
site. . . that's the background.
. . . Here's the survey part.
I've been wanting to organize a historic music festival here
for some time now. and would love to hear from anyone who would be
interested in attending such an event. I need to know if I can muster
particimants to pull this off. Ideally, I would like to focus strictly on
the Vielles but, of course, all historical (preferably colonial) instruments
would be welcome.
This is strictly an unofficial query understand. I would be most
interested in hearing any and all comments concerning such an endeavor.
Pitfalls, veterans' experiences, etc.
I believe what this site needs is a major event such as a music fair to
rally the visitors after the loss of the museum.
Of course, feel free to contact me off list. thanks in advance.
Bruce Nail
(Gurdyphile Wannabe)
Esccanaba, Mi.
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Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 15:32:34 -0600
From: arle lommel <fenevad _at_ ttt.org>
Subject: Re: [HG] Great Lakes Gurdyphile Survey
Just a thought on this is to try contacting Denis Havlena (he is the
fellow who designed the simple HG that there are links to off the
website) as he has an interest in teaching about historical
instruments. He is in Michigan (I think) and might now of people to
contact as well as being able to tell you about the local situation
for this sort of thing. Obviously I cannot speak for him and he might
even say that my estimation of his interest is wrong, but he was the
first person I thought of upon reading your mail.
(I would be very interested in your project, but I am in Utah. Alas.)
-Arle
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Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 17:42:21 -0400
From: Bruce and Mary Nail <bnail _at_ up.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] Great Lakes Gurdyphile Survey
Arle:
Thanks for the tip. I've met Dennis, and his famous hardware hurdy.
he's a great guy and I'm sure he'd be willing to help, I don't know why I
hadn't thought of him prior to now.
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Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 19:53:04 -0300
From: kaiser <kmkaiser _at_ usp.br>
Subject: Re: [HG] Photo from St. Chartier
Alden Hackmann wrote:
>
> Either that or all that Hungarian music you've been doing lately has
> affected your brain. ;-) Isn't one of the tekero drones in A?
>
> Alden
Do you play hungarian music? On a tekero? Wow! Could you help me to
find folktunes, methods and strings? I'd apreciate it.
Marcos.
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Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 08:41:46 EDT
From: JPeekstok _at_ aol.com
Subject: Re: [HG] Great Lakes Gurdyphile Survey
In a message dated 8/18/00 5:43:47 PM, bnail _at_ up.net writes:
>I've been wanting to organize a historic music festival here
>for some time now. and would love to hear from anyone who would be
>interested in attending such an event. I need to know if I can muster
>particimants to pull this off. Ideally, I would like to focus strictly
>on the Vielles but, of course, all historical (preferably colonial)
>instruments would be welcome.
>I believe what this site needs is a major event such as a music fair
>to rally the visitors after the loss of the museum.
If your goal is to have a major music event to bring visitors to the site,
you may want to broaden your approach beyond historical instruments, and
especially beyond vielles. You may have noticed that historical music is very
far down the totem pole of public support, and that vielles are very far down
the list of historical music.
I have quite a lot of experience at putting on hurdy-gurdy concerts and
festivals in the United States. While it can be a rewarding experience, these
are not events that the general public turns out for in droves. I'm afraid
you may have two mutually exclusive desires for one event. Maybe you should
do two different events -- one for historically minded people, and one
general music festival. Even a general folk music festival would garner more
public support.
John Peekstok
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Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 14:36:12 -0700
From: R. T. Taylor <rtaylor _at_ amp.csulb.edu>
Subject: [HG] Teker� players, come out of the closet.
OK, It is time for all of you that have been lurking on this group that play
Hungarian music or have a teker� ( Hungarian Hurdy Gurdy ) to let us know
you are out there.
So far I know about
kmkaiser _at_ usp.br real name unknown, location unknown
fenevad _at_ ttt.org real name, Arle Lommel location Utah
USA
rtaylor _at_ amp.csulb.edu real name, r.t. taylor, location California
USA
I seem to recall someone posting a message from Brazil that also had a
teker�.
If I can remember ( which is getting harder every day ) I will post a list
of interesting websites that are about Hungarian dance/music and other
teker� information.
I also have Methods for learning the techniques of playing a teker� in
French and Hungarian. Unfortunately nothing in English.
There are teachers that come to the US from time to time to teach and also
teach in various parts of Europe. There are also a few recordings that
actually feature the Hurdy Gurdy. Most notable is " Kertunk Alatt" by the
Magyar Tekerozenekar ( Hungarian Hurdy Gurdy Band).
I have studied with 5 great Hungarian Teachers. Each one has a different
style. Or plays the same tune in a different way, especially when it comes
to ornamentation. So you have to be flexible and also have a good ear. If
you are a good player of French style Hurdy Gurdy you will notice right away
that you have to change the way you play the right hand in order to sound
like a Hungarian Hurdy Gurdy player. It takes me a few days to really get
into the "grove" each time I have a class.
After much frustration I found out the secrete to playing Hungarian Hurdy
Gurdy. You have to speak Hungarian. Wow that was simple. Almost all of the
tunes that we play for dancing are songs with words in "Hungarian". The
phrasing and note duration usually follows the syllables of the words. So if
you don't know the words to the song, you really have to pay close attention
to your teacher or listen carefully to a recording to make it sound correct.
And of course it helps a lot if you have a real strong right arm. Playing
teker� is a good aerobic exercise.
The next event that I know of that us North Americans can participate in the
Western Canadian Hungarian festival in Vancouver and Victoria Canada.
the first week of October.
-4 concerts by D�V� in the week prior to the festival (Sept. 30 in
Vancouver, Oct. 1 in Nanaimo, Oct. 3 at the UVIC Faculty of Music and Oct.
4 in Victoria) And one of my teachers, Ferenc Andrassy will be happy to
teach you all you want about the Hungarian HG.
There will be a teker� event in Budapest next May. I will keep you posted.
Siza ( that is Hungarian for " Ciao" or " Say man, what's happening")
r.t.
.===============================================
From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net>
[[missing]]
------ Original Message ----- teker�
From: "kaiser" <kmkaiser _at_ usp.br>
To: <hg _at_ hurdygurdy.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: [HG] Photo from St. Chartier
> Do you play hungarian music? On a tekero? Wow! Could you help me to
> find folktunes, methods and strings? I'd apreciate it.
> Marcos.
>
.===============================================
From hurdy _at_ silverlink.net Wed Sep 13 12:34:36 2000
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 00:15:33 -0700
Subject: [HG] Forward of "Help. Looking for a hurdy-gurdy player in London"
I got the following email from an event organizer in London:
>From: The Centre of Attention <the_centre_of_attention _at_ europe.com>
>Subject: Help. Looking for a hurdy-gurdy player in London
>
>The Centre of Attention is a non profit contemporary art gallery in
>Shoreditch, East London. http://www.thecentreofattention.org
>
>We are organising a fine art film and video evening on the 14th September at
>Wiltons Music Hall in Whitechapel, East London, on the theme of performance.
>Wiltons is the oldest music hall in the world and a beautiful place (used as
>a background in "Interview with a Vampire", 250 capacity). More info on the
>location on this webpage: www.chriswillis.freeserve.co.uk/wiltons.html
>
>We are desperately looking for a hurdy-gurdy player to perform as part of
>the evening. Any idea who we should talk to?
>
>We are very grateful for any help!
>
>Best regards,
>
>Pierre-Alexandre Coinde
.===============================================
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 10:11:26 +0100
From: peter.j.hughes _at_ bt.com
Subject: RE: [HG] Forward of "Help. Looking for a hurdy-gurdy
player in Lo ndon"
I received the same mail and asked them for more info. Reply was as follows:
>Thank you very much for your reply:
>As this is the oldest surviving Music hall in the world, the type of music
>played could match the environment (19th Century), but as this evening is
>also a contemporary art event, the music chosen could be 21st Century too.
>How desperate are we? well the evening could go ahead with no hurdy gurdy
>player. However we are getting a bit renowned in London's art world for our
>events, and we need to ensure they are not like anything else.
>The downside: we are a non profit, small budget organisation though. And it
>is difficult for us to pay the performer or the artists. The event is free.
>Sponsorship in kind has just been obtained from a wine company. So wine
will
>be free. The name of the hurdy-gurdy player will appear longside the other
>artists in the programme, as well as on our website. They would be expected
>to play for 30 mins to an hour.
>Please tell me if this is just not realistic!
>Best regards,
>Pierre
It looks like it might be fun, but I'm afraid I really can't spare the time
at the moment.
Any takers.....
Peter.
.===============================================
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 08:45:05 -0400
From: Judith Lindenau <judith _at_ taar.com>
Subject: RE: [HG] Another Teker� player
Well, I own a Slovakian Hurdy Gurdy, called a ninera,
which arrived a month ago. It's a lovely folk instrument
(I can e-mail a photo if you'd like), but right now the
humidity has caused the keys to stick. Any advice will
be welcome: apparently they don't have humidity
like this in the Tatras!
Judith
(judith _at_ taar.com)
.===============================================
:.
:
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:28:57 +0200
From: Ernst Kainzmeier <kainer _at_ chello.at>
Subject: [HG] Re: [HG] Another Teker� player/Humidity...
Well, Judith, in connection with the sticking pegs of Your "ninera" I
would recommend the same thing I recommended to Rose Daly: Silica-Gel....
small, dark blue pearls who can reduce humidity in closed boxes or cases.
You need only a small portion (spoonful) of them to reduce humidity in
those cases from approx. 80 to 40%! You may ask Rose about her experience
with Silica-Gel. And when the pearls change their dark blue colour to
salmon (or pink) they can be reactivated in the oven many times! I mean
they work very well and indeed You have to take care that Your instrument
won't dry out to much. Hygrometer would be helpful! If You want some I
could send You a small portion of 50 grams or so. Let me know!
�
Ernst
.===============================================
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:12:00 -0700
From: jjandr _at_ netzero.net
Subject: [HG] coming to Over the Water
If you will be flying in to the Over the Water Hurdy Gurdy Festival in
September and plan to rent a car, please let me know if you are
interested in sharing a ride.� I will try to match you up with someone
else arriving near the same time who would also to ride share.� It's nice
to have the company for the drive out to the site, and also can be nice
to share expenses.
�
Also, if you are planning to fly on United Airlines, I have a couple of
discount coupons for 15% off economy class rates.� Check with me for more
info.
�
Joanne
�
.===============================================
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 22:05:52 -0700
From: R. T. Taylor <rtaylor _at_ amp.csulb.edu>
Subject: [HG] title of first Vielleux du borbonnais record?
I have the record called :
"Vielleux du Bourbonnais
Coup de 4"
The CD confuses things by re-titleing the CD
"France
Vielles & Cornemuses
Hurdy Gurdy and Bagpipes
Vielleux du Bourbonnais "
....................
Was the first record only titled "Vielleux du Bourbonnais "?
What is the reissued CD called?
Merci a bunch.
.===============================================
�
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 01:25:26 -0700
From: R. T. Taylor <rtaylor _at_ amp.csulb.edu>
Subject: [HG] Web site to buy old records in France
Web site to buy old records in France
�
Check out this web site.
They sell records. Remember them? Some good stuff is only on records.
�
They have a copy of gabriel valse, bal folk.
I am sure this will never come out on CD.
It features Marc Perrone and Perlinpinpin Folk.
�
http://perso.club-internet.fr/pmoru/ventefrance.html
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:00:38 ICT
From: Keiji OTAKE <kei_otake _at_ hotmail.com>
Subject: [HG] RE: title of first Vielleux du borbonnais record?
Hello,
This is Kei from Thailand.
>Was the first record only titled "Vielleux du Bourbonnais "?
I copyed an advertisement of the record "Vielleux du Bourbonnais" from a
magazine dated March 1980 on my website.
http://www.geocities.co.jp/Hollywood-Miyuki/8316/omou/omou01.html
I think you don't have Japanese font, but you can see graphic part. Is that
same record as you have?
As for the reissued CD, sorry I don't know.
Kei (^_^)
.===============================================
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 01:43:56 -0700
From: R. T. Taylor <rtaylor _at_ amp.csulb.edu>
Subject: Re: [HG] RE: title of first Vielleux du borbonnais record?
That was quick.
I love people that stay up at all hours of the day just to help a fellow
Hurdy gurdy player.
Yes that is the record.
Thanks for the quick answer.
Sawade
r.t.
.===============================================
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 07:24:47 EDT
From: Maxoubbn _at_ aol.com
Subject: Re: [HG] title of first Vielleux du borbonnais record?
Hello R.T.
There are two "Vielleux du Bourbonnais" recordings :
1�) F. PARIS, B. & J.C. BLANC - 1980 : Bourr�e de Jenzat, Scottish �
Malochet...
2�) F. PARIS, B. & J.C. BLANC, P. BOUFFARD - "Coup de Quatre" - 1985 :
Conscription, Bourr�e � Malochet, ...
The second was first re-issued on CD, with a different title, and no one
asked permission to the musicians for that ! (there are a lot of mistakes on
the cover). The first one is available on CD now.
These two recordings are now a part of the recent history of hurdy-gurdy in
central-france : for example on the first one, all tunes are played at a too
fast tempo ! They were young !
Last year, another hurdy-gurdy/bagpipe/fiddle/accordeon band made a CD named
"Coup de quatre" : the band's name is "La cha�n�e castelloise". This one is
interesting, and well played, but I prefer the two others...
If there's more questions...
Maxou
.===============================================
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:42:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alden Hackmann <darkstar _at_ u.washington.edu>
Subject: [HG] More (?) Vielleux du Bourbonnais recordings
Maxou said:
> There are two "Vielleux du Bourbonnais" recordings :
> 1�) F. PARIS, B. & J.C. BLANC - 1980 : Bourr�e de Jenzat, Scottish �
> Malochet...
> 2�) F. PARIS, B. & J.C. BLANC, P. BOUFFARD - "Coup de Quatre" - 1985 :
> Conscription, Bourr�e � Malochet, ...
I thought there were at least 3 albums by "Vielleux du Bourbonnais" -
these two, and at least one in between. Denny Hall and Judy Wayenberg
loaned us their collection of vinyl several years ago, and I am pretty
sure that I remember that the second album was called "2" or "Deuxieme".
I always assumed that there was a third album, called perhaps "3", which
is why the final album was called "Coup de Quatre".
> The second was first re-issued on CD, with a different title, and no one
> asked permission to the musicians for that ! (there are a lot of mistakes on
> the cover).
Yes, starting with the horrible yellow color they chose for the
background, and the fact that they used the photo from the back of the
album (the peghead) instead of the nice photo of the 4 band members.
What were the other mistakes?
>The first one is available on CD now.
> These two recordings are now a part of the recent history of hurdy-gurdy in
> central-france : for example on the first one, all tunes are played at a too
> fast tempo ! They were young !
Oh, good! I thought I needed to learn to play them that fast... ;-)
Alden
.===============================================
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:44:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alden Hackmann <darkstar _at_ u.washington.edu>
Subject: [HG] The other "Coup de Quatre"
Maxou said:
>
> Last year, another hurdy-gurdy/bagpipe/fiddle/accordeon band made a CD named
> "Coup de quatre" : the band's name is "La cha�n�e castelloise". This one is
> interesting, and well played, but I prefer the two others...
>
> If there's more questions...
Yes - what label are they on? And did anyone bring back a copy of this
from France for us? ;-)
Alden F.M. Hackmann darkstar _at_ u.washington.edu
Web: http://www.hurdygurdy.com/hg/hghome.html
"Beati illi qui in circulum circumeunt, fient enim magnae rotae."
.===============================================
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 03:24:03 EDT
From: Maxoubbn _at_ aol.com
Subject: Re: [HG] More (?) Vielleux du Bourbonnais recordings
Hi Alden
Here are the reference of the last CD I've told you :
La Chain�e Castelloise
"Coup de quatre"
Buda Records 92748-2
(www.budamusique.com)
One of the hurdy players is named Jean-Claude Laporte : he learned
hurdy-gurdy with the famous Gaston Guillemain in the 60's.
... and I'm sure there are only two official recordings of "vielleux du
Bourbonnais" !
And don't forget me in the big conspiracy.
Maxou
.===============================================
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:46:52 +0100
From: Frank Vickers <Frank _at_ vickhast.demon.co.uk>
Subject: [HG] Records & CDs
Hi folks
I've convinced a local music retailer to specialise in European music
CDs and music books. He does not have much knowledge of the subject and
has no contacts yet. When he's up and running he'll do mail order and
sell the stuff from his stalls at Festivals in the UK.
So I need the contacts - French, Breton, and all other parts of Europe.
Either bands, record labels, distributors importers - who would like
someone in the UK to sell their CDs. He couldn't take very many at
first - but when he's established his niche he may be able to deal in
larger quantities.
I've already established a link with Harmonia Mudi - they can provide
all the Auvidis (Vielleux de Bourbonnais, Cafe Charbons etc...) [I've
had both Vielleux de Bourbonnais CDs for about 2 years now I think].
This would include any British/American/Other bands playing in the
genre.
So come on lists what do you know.
Frank
Norwich, UK
tel +44 (0)1603 505910/443942/441050
mobile 0771 820 4253
fax +44 (0)870 052 3751
http://www.xim.org.uk
.===============================================
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:58:59 +0100
From: Frank Vickers <frank _at_ vickhast.demon.co.uk>
Subject: [HG] Gigs
Hi List
Just a quick note of some future events here in the UK
My band Xim are playing at
Castle Acre Folk Club - 30 August
Hale End Folk Club - 7 September
Norwich Arts Centre - 16 September
Hoxne Village Hall - 14 October
Royal Festival Hall - 26 October
Ealing Town Hall - 25 November
On the weekend of 26th-27th-28th January
I'm running a weekend Festival
Workshops in
Hurdy Gurdy
Bagpipes
Melodeon
Bodhran
Dance
& more
Blowzabella
The Cock & Bull Band
Firebrand
Jabadaw Trio
Anyone interested let me know
Frank
Norwich, UK
tel +44 (0)1603 505910/443942/441050
mobile 0771 820 4253
fax +44 (0)870 052 3751
http://www.xim.org.uk
.===============================================
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:31:37 +0200
From: C.Westbroek <bourree _at_ hetnet.nl>
Subject: [HG] Hurdy Gurdy and Bagpipes in Holland
On 17 september we organize a special day for hurdy gurdy's� and
bagpipes. If anyone might be in the neighbourhood we welcome you
especially if you bring your instruments.
We've got
* concerts: Appelation Controlee, Willem Schot /Olle Geris, Quatre-L,
Madlot etc. ,
* an exhibition of posters, postcards, (old) instruments
* stands of bagpipe & hurdy gurdy makers
* workshops: "try a bagpipe, try a hurdy gurdy
* a dance workshop
* we� might even form a big hurdy gurdy and bagpipe band.
More information on the site of the dutch Hurdy Gurdy and bagpipe
foundation.
http://www.antenna.nl/draailier-doedelzak/index.html
�
Might see you then,
Cor.
.===============================================
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:27:34 -0400
From: John Roberts <anglo _at_ albany.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] Gigs
Frank wrote:
>I'm running a weekend Festival
>
>Workshops in
>Hurdy Gurdy
>Bagpipes
>Melodeon
>Bodhran
>Dance
>& more
>
>Blowzabella
>The Cock & Bull Band
>Firebrand
>Jabadaw Trio
Is this reincarnation of Blowzabella? If so I'd not heard. Any info
appreciated.
.===============================================
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:54:38 -0700
From: Deborah White <gaidheal _at_ distantoaks.com>
Subject: [HG] Gigs 2
Hello everyone,
Since it's gig-posting time, I'll go ahead and post our Washington tour
schedule. We don't have a hurdy-gurdy yet, but we have Scottish smallpipes
and many drones. :-)
Here's the schedule.
Sat. Sept. 8 Kelso Highlander Festival, Kelso. Three afternoon
performances, plus Scottish Gaelic music and language workshop.
Thurs. Sept. 14 Tacoma Farmers Market, Tacoma. 11:00 AM-1:00 PM.
Thurs. Sept. 14 Harmon Brewery, Tacoma. 8:00-10:00 PM.
Fri. Sept. 15 Antique Sandwich Shop, 7:30 PM. $8.00 cover charge.
Sat. Sept. 16 Borders Books and Music, Downtown Seattle. 3:00-5:00 PM.
Sun. Sept. 17 The Upstage Restaurant and Club, Port Townsend. 7:00-10:00
PM. $5.00 cover charge.
I hope to meet some of you Washington (and No. Oregon) HG players!
Deborah
----------------------------
gaidheal _at_ distantoaks.com
Distant Oaks - Celtic Music and Dance
http://www.distantoaks.com
.===============================================
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:13:21 -0700
From: Dominic A White <ick _at_ awenet.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] Gigs 2
This sounds fantatstic, the Borders show is also very convenient! Where is
the "Antique Sandwich Shop?"
Dominic
Dominic A. White www.awenet.com/~ick
MIDNIGHT PASS www.midnight-pass.com
"If I were married to you, I'd put poison in your coffee."
- - - Lady Astor (to Winston Churchill)
"If you were my wife, I'd drink it."
- - - Winston Churchill, in reply
.===============================================
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:39:18 -0400
From: Catherine Keenan <cath _at_ pathcom.com>
Subject: [HG] Reinflated Blowzabella
John asked about this band -- yes, I think it's Andy Cutting, Nigel, maybe
John Swayne?and I think Dave Swarbrick. They do few, wonderful gigs I hear --
cath
.===============================================
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:41:33 -0400
From: Catherine Keenan <cath _at_ pathcom.com>
Subject: [HG] title of first Vielleux du borbonnais record?
thanks Maxou -- I love these records. I always thought the first one was
called after the name of the band, and then coup de quatre came when
patrick became the fourth member. they were out of print by 1987.
when I was in england in the 80s those two records were the bible of hurdy
gurdy and bagpipe playing, and I confess that my copy was a copy of a copy
of a copy of the out of print, impossible to find first record. I later
found an lp version of coup de q (Is this cd version the one with the funny
yellow cover?) -- and was glad to get the first on cd a couple of years
ago -- I think from the McHargs? or maybe at St-Chartier
I remember somebody telling me in the distant past that Patrick was sixteen
when he recorded tiennet and le grande ourse for coup de quatre. This was
his first time in the recording studio, and he did them in one take. Maxou
-- am I remembering correctly?
.===============================================
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:17:36 EDT
From: Maxoubbn _at_ aol.com
Subject: Re: [HG] title of first Vielleux du borbonnais record?
Hello Catherine
You're right. May be Patrick was a little older at this time (about 20).
The first tune of "Coup de quatre" was composed by Frederic Paris on the day
of my departure to army... Long ago !
And the name "Vielleux du Bourbonnais" was found not as a band's name, but
only as a title for the first lp. At this time, almost no one in France (I'm
speaking about HG players) was knowing the name of Bourbonnais before...
See you back here one day ?
Maxou
.===============================================
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:56:37 -0700
From: Deborah White <gaidheal _at_ distantoaks.com>
Subject: RE: [HG] Gigs 2
Dominic,
> > Fri. Sept. 15 Antique Sandwich Shop, 7:30 PM. $8.00 cover charge.
> > Sat. Sept. 16 Borders Books and Music, Downtown Seattle. 3:00-5:00
PM.
>
> This sounds fantatstic, the Borders show is also very convenient! Where is
> the "Antique Sandwich Shop?"
Oops! The Antique Sandwich Shop is in Tacoma.
Borders Books is located at 1501 Fourth Avenue, across from Westlake Park,
in Downtown Seattle.
Our performances feature songs in Gaelic and English, guitar, citole (a Ren.
period stringed instrument in the lute family -- I tune mine in open D
tuning), recorders, whistle, Scottish smallpipes, Celtic harp, and
stepdancing.
Hope to see you there!
Deborah
----------------------------
gaidheal _at_ distantoaks.com
Distant Oaks - Celtic Music and Dance
http://www.distantoaks.com
.===============================================
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:13:54 -0700
From: R. T. Taylor <rtaylor _at_ amp.csulb.edu>
Subject: [HG] Translations See Vu Play
You would think that after spending almost a total of 2 years in France I
would learn what every word�means.
�
What is the meaning of this word? I assume that it is an area of the
country?
�
�
d'aujourd'hui
�
Merci a lot.
r.t.
�
.===============================================
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 19:32:53 +0100
From: Rose Daly <rose.daly _at_ virgin.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] Gigs
----- Original Message -----
From: Frank Vickers <frank _at_ vickhast.demon.co.uk>
>
> Anyone interested let me know
>
Definitely! Put me down for the January weekend (there'll be two of us), I
was a student at UEA so will be able to revisit old stamping grounds as
well! Also hope to make it to one of Xim's concerts.
Rose
.===============================================
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:43:38 -0700
From: R. T. Taylor <rtaylor _at_ amp.csulb.edu>
Subject: Re: [HG] Hurdy Gurdy and Bagpipes in Holland
Thank you for the information. Will you be organizing a weekend like this
at other times of the year?
�
I have a copy of your CD " Symphonia".
I enjoy listening to it very much. It has a nice combination of
traditional tunes and compositions with music from Holland, France etc.
I use track #10, a version of Susato Revendre to help people understand
and enjoy music that is not played " as it is written in the books" and
how easy it is to change the whole feeling of a tune by changing the
rhythmic pattern.
�
Years ago, I was at a workshop in the UK with Patrick Bouffard. At night,
one of the people had to leave and Patrick started to play the tune " Old
Lang Sine". After playing it the "traditional way" slowly, he then
switched to playing it as a waltz, 2 time bourree, 3 time bourree and
then a march. it was fun for all of us to play along.
�
I think that you can find the link to buy this CD at:
http://www.antenna.nl/draailier-doedelzak/ddshop.html
�
r.t.
�
.===============================================
�
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:42:08 EDT
From: Maxoubbn _at_ aol.com
Subject: Re: [HG] Translations See Vu Play
Hello R.T.
aujourd'hui = today
musique d'aujourd'hui = today's music
It's strange that a so small country (France) can give problems to the whole
world...
Maxou
.===============================================
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:34:46 -0700
From: R. T. Taylor <rtaylor _at_ amp.csulb.edu>
Subject: Re: [HG] Translations See Vu Play
Well now that I have your attention, I have a few small questions.
I always have small questions.
Music subscription from l'AMTA
I just received 7 editions of the sheet music from AMTA.
The first set of tunes is from you. So I will ask you these questions.
Are these tunes written so that people will have a standardized way to
play the tunes? I noticed that even Bourree de Cusset is written with a
note that is different then the way I play that tune, or how I remember them
being played in France. And some tunes have accidental notes a half step
down from where I normally play them. Should we think of these
transcriptions of the music like the Bible of French music? Or an attempt to
have people play music together with everyone playing the same notes?
Some people play the music as written in the Massif Central Tune Books. But
those books seem to have a lot of differences in them. . They just don't
sound like what I remember hearing people play in France. I just play them
the way I feel they are played in France.
So I am looking for an alternative to those tune books. I would like to
suggest to new players to buy the subscription from AMTA. But that might
mean that some of us will have to change the way we play some of the tunes.
It is not a big problem. But we always have trouble playing together when
people play versions that are different. It is mostly a problem for second
or harmony parts. We also have trouble sometimes with the number of times to
repeat the A or B parts. So having the music written down and standardized
makes it easier for us to play together.
..........................................
And now for something funny.
A friend of mine that lives near Boston has the Vielle's 96 CD and asked me
to help her learn the first track, which is played by you, She does not play
by ear very well and needed it transposed to play on a C/G Hurdy Gurdy.
So I got out my software to slowdown and change the pitch of music.
You sound very interesting when you talk about 6 steps higher and then
slowed down by 100%.
So now the question. I always have to have a question.
How do you play and talk at the same time? I find this almost impossible.
I assume that this set of tunes is for a concert performance and not to
dance to.
Is that correct?
It is almost September. Time for both of us to go back to teaching at
school.
Good luck !
r.t.
.===============================================
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:56:16 ICT
From: Keiji OTAKE <kei_otake _at_ hotmail.com>
Subject: [HG] RE: Vielleux du borbonnais record
Hi,
Maxou said:
>These two recordings are now a part of the recent history
>of hurdy-gurdy in central-france : for example on the first
>one, all tunes are played at a too fast tempo ! They were young !
I was relieved after reading this !
I tryed to copy the tunes in "Vielleux du Bourbonnais", but never arrived
their fast tempo for some bourrees.
Now I can say "It is because of my age, not my playing skill".
Kei (^_^)
.===============================================
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:36:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: SB/JW <duodrone _at_ earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] Translations See Vu Play
R.T. wrote:
>So now the question. I always have to have a question.
>How do you play and talk at the same time? I find this almost impossible.
This is one of the hurdy gurdy players rites of passage, like learning the
coup de quatre. You must be able to say "hurdy gurdy" becase you will be
asked many times, whilst playing:" What do you call that instrument?"
( "Fred" won't do) by people who are sent to test you. It will first come
out as "haddagadda" in which case you will be asked to repeat yourself, but
with practice you will be able to clearly pronouce the words hudry gurdy,
and it's all down hill from there.
Juan
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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 19:34:37 -0400
From: Bruce and Mary Nail <bnail _at_ up.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] Great Lakes Gurdyphile Survey
----- Original Message -----
From: <JPeekstok _at_ aol.com>
> do two different events -- one for historically minded people, and one
> general music festival. Even a general folk music festival would garner
more
> public support.
>
> John Peekstok
>
John:
Thanks for the reply. your input was most appreciated and, alas,
you're right about the need for a duel event, but unfortunately, this
would never happen.
here's my delima: I need an event that will will draw attention to the
site.
It must be historically and culturally relevant
It must be inexpensive. (historians and their societies are notoriously
tight-fisted)
assuming I can muster the interest among participants and I actually get
to the organization stage, do participants usually get an honorarium for
attending?
Here's what I sort of had in mind:
Celebrating french colonial heritage by displaying throughout the
park some (or all) of the following:.
Seperate awnings for the differents instruments of the 17th-19th
centuries.
demonstrations and workshops
Folk dancing
evening concert (probably one of the only honorariums allowed)
Please bear in mind I am completely in the dark here so your experienced
opinion is most welcom.
Again, thanks for your input.
Bruce Nail.
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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 01:56:05 -0700
From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net>
Subject: [HG] The list is back
After a brief (unplanned) intermission, the HG list appears to be back. We
now return you to your usual programming.
Alden the Listmaster
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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 11:55:30 -0400
From: Catherine Keenan <cath _at_ pathcom.com>
Subject: [HG] blowzabella
Hi John Roberts!
Yes, the bag has been reinflated by (I think) John Swayne, Andy Cutting,
Nigel, and Dave Swarbrick, and they do few, wonderful gigs...
cath
ps how are ya?
At 10:27 AM 8/24/00 -0400, John Roberts wrote:
>Is this reincarnation of Blowzabella? If so I'd not heard. Any info
>appreciated.
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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:39:47 -0700
From: R. T. Taylor <rtaylor _at_ amp.csulb.edu>
Subject: [HG] What kind of dance is a Montagnarde?
What kind of dance is a Montagnarde?
I thought that Montagnarde was a person from the Mountains. At lest in
Transylvanian dialect I think.
I was looking at the CD liner notes for the Les Brayouds CD called "
Couleurs".
Track 7 has 2 mazurkas and 3 Montagnardes. The Montagnardes seem to be
played like a 3 time bourree.
r.t.
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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 06:43:20 GMT
From: Marcello Bono <ghironda _at_ hotmail.com>
Subject: [HG] bono has moved....
Hi dear friends
I got a new house (at last!) far now the forniture are: 6 gurdies, 5
bicycles, 8 metres of books, 2000 LPs, 400 CDs, open reel tapes, cassettes
etc...all of these are on the floor, so I don't need carpets...
Anyway, if you want to send me a post card you'll need to know the new
address...
How to get the new address? Just ask! :o)
see you soon
ciao
Marcello
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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 04:01:12 EDT
From: Maxoubbn _at_ aol.com
Subject: Re: [HG] What kind of dance is a Montagnarde?
Hello R.T.
You're right. In the old collections of music sheet around 1850, we have :
Montagnarde = 3 time bourree (coming from the mountain ?)
bourr�e = 2 time bourree (sometimes called "bourbonnaise")
Maxou
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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 06:09:27 -0600
From: arle lommel <fenevad _at_ ttt.org>
Subject: Re: [HG] What kind of dance is a Montagnarde?
Concerning the word Montagnarde I am sure it means what you say, but I
don't think the source is Transylvanian:
Romanian for mountain is "munto" (I don't know what a mountain dweller is
called) while Hungarian for mountain dweller is "hegyilako". I don't know
the German off the top of my head, but "Montagnarde" isn't it. That
exhausts the major languages in the region. I think your source is likely
southern French or northern Italian originally, while the orthography
looks French to me.
-Arle
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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 14:00:51 GMT
From: Marcello Bono <ghironda _at_ hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] What kind of dance is a Montagnarde?
In Italian a person from the mountain is
montanaro
MONTA(g)NAR(de)O
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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 15:50:31 +0100
From: Frank Vickers <Frank _at_ vickhast.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [HG] Reinflated Blowzabella
In message <3.0.6.32.20000824123918.0079f3e0 _at_ pop3.pathcom.com>,
Catherine Keenan <cath _at_ pathcom.com> writes
>John asked about this band -- yes, I think it's Andy Cutting, Nigel, maybe
>John Swayne?and I think Dave Swarbrick. They do few, wonderful gigs I hear --
>
>cath
No not quite right
Nigel Eaton
Andy Cutting
John Swayne
Dave Shepherd
Ian Luff
This line up of Blowzabella has been playing together for about 3 years
now.
The gigs are very good. But I recently saw Nigel playing with Andy
Cutting and Paul James - that was a cracking gig. Mainly traditional
tunes, played with such drive and energy they sounded new.
Frank Vickers
Norwich, UK
tel +44 (0)1603 505910/443942/441050
mobile 0771 820 4253
fax +44 (0)870 052 3751
http://www.xim.org.uk
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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:59:29 +0100
From: rose daly <rose.daly _at_ virgin.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] What kind of dance is a Montagnarde?
"Berg" is mountain in German - isn't it, Ernst? No idea what mountain
dweller is.
Rose
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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:19:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alden Hackmann <darkstar _at_ u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [HG] What kind of dance is a Montagnarde?
Rose said:
> "Berg" is mountain in German - isn't it, Ernst? No idea what mountain
> dweller is.
"Bergmann", of course ;-) ;-)
Alden
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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 15:53:31 -0400
From: Judith Lindenau <judith _at_ taar.com>
Subject: FW: [HG] What kind of dance is a Montagnarde?
Get to work, Alden. Forget the bad puns.
You have a hurdy gurdy to produce.
judith
Judith Lindenau, CAE, RCE
Traverse Area Association of Realtors
http://www.taar.com
icq 6445710
MAILTO:judith _at_ taar.com
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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:12:22 +0200
From: Ernst Kainzmeier <kainer _at_ chello.at>
Subject: Re: [HG] What kind of dance is a Montagnarde?
You're right, Rose! In German language "Berg" is mountain but "Bergmann"
doesn't mean mountain dweller, Alden! Mountain dweller means
"Bergbewohner" (folks who live there in the mountains), but "Bergmann" is
a miner! So it's impossible to see any connection to "Montagnarde". For
my opinion it's a word maybe from the French- and/or Italian-speaking
Swiss? Or maybe from the French - Italian border region? It's difficulte
to locate such an word....
�
Ernst
�
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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 15:01:16 -0700
From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net>
Subject: Re: FW: [HG] What kind of dance is a Montagnarde? (fwd)
>From: Judith Lindenau <judith _at_ taar.com>
>
>Get to work, Alden. Forget the bad puns.
>You have a hurdy gurdy to produce.
Judith,
You need to understand that Alden puns at all times. He puns in his sleep,
he puns in the shower in the morning. He has even been known to pun at
even more delicate times (description omitted). It is perhaps more natural
to him than breathing. After living with him for more than 12 years now I
have come to be able to detect when a pun is percolating and is about to
emerge, but beware of twinkle in his eye :-)
Trust me, he doesn't stop work to pun.
:-)-----Cali
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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:52:57 -0400
From: Judith Lindenau <judith _at_ taar.com>
Subject: RE: FW: [HG] What kind of dance is a Montagnarde? (fwd)
Oh dear.
You poor thing.
judith
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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:59:37 -0700
From: R. T. Taylor <rtaylor _at_ amp.csulb.edu>
Subject: [HG] The music sheet from AMTA : FWD from MAXOU
The music sheet from AMTA has been made for 2 reasons :
1�) There are only a few french people using sheet music for traditionnal
playing. It's useful to be able to read music. They have to work. Here
are
some exercises.
2�) These are the basic melodies coming from books, or old players, or
composers. You know that each player has his own way to play : that's
almost
the rule in our music. You can appreciate how music can change when it's
travelling... Keep your own version, but be able to change it to another
if
necessary. We use to say : the sheet music is a skeleton...
The first tune of "vielles 96" is a concert set. I've worked a lot to
speak
(a bit) while playing simples melodies.
Any more questions ?
Maxou
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Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:15:08 +0200
From: Ute.Ueberreiter _at_ aventis.com
Subject: [HG] Blowzabella again ...
hello everybody,
is anybody informed about the gigs Blowzabella will do in the next future ?
It would be very kind to give me some dates and places ... can any
information about tour dates be found on the internet ?
many thanks,
Ute �berreiter
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Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 00:36:17 -0700
From: R. T. Taylor <rtaylor _at_ amp.csulb.edu>
Subject: [HG] St. Chartier 2001,
It is never to early to make your summer holiday plans.
�
The official dates for St. Chartier next year are
�
�
12th to 15th July 2001...
�
Now all we need are the dates for Les Brayauds, Gennetine and Embraud and
we are all set.
�
r.t.
�
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Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:18:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alden Hackmann <darkstar _at_ u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [HG] St. Chartier 2001,
George Swallow said:
> For those not in the know, where IS St Chartier?
The St. Chartier festival (which has a much longer name which doesn't
include the words "St. Chartier") is held in the village of St. Chartier,
which is in the middle of France, in the Auvernge.
To find the Auvernge, draw a line straight south from Paris to the
coast. Half-way down that line and a little to the right (east) is the
Auvernge region. The largest city is Clermont-Ferrand. You'll also see
Montlucon, which is the site of an extensive hurdy-gurdy museum (and a
little patiserie (sp) which has exquisite lemon tarts).
The village of St. Chartier is quite small, and may not show up on any but
the most detailed maps. The closest town of any size is La Ch�tre, a few
kilometers to the south.
Alden
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Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:38:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: SB/JW <duodrone _at_ earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] St. Chartier 2001,
> For those not in the know, where IS St Chartier?
AS far as I remember , Saint Charier is not in the Auvergne but in the
department of Cher,(no puns Alden, I know it's tempting) which is in Berry
(?)
Juan
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Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:44:49 -0400
From: Catherine Keenan <cath _at_ pathcom.com>
Subject: [HG] St Chartier
Is in fact in the province of Indre. It's 1.5km off the 10km highway
between Clermont-Ferrand and La Chatre. There's a map for getting there on
the site
cath
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Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:53:50 -0700
From: "Meador, John" <john.meador _at_ unistudios.com>
Subject: RE: [HG] St. Chartier 2001,
Isn't St. Chartier in the department Indre ( Not Andre )?
Please help us Maxou.
JM
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Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:08:56 +0200
From: Ernst Kainzmeier <kainer _at_ chello.at>
Subject: Re: [HG] St Chartier
I think St.Chartier is in the valley of Indre (L'Indre river) which is a
part of Berry (but maybe I'm wrong to...).
�
Ernst
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Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:36:39 +0100
From: peter.j.hughes _at_ bt.com
Subject: RE: [HG] St. Chartier 2001,
I usually tell people that if you tried to balance the outline of France on
the head of a pin, the point would be in the middle of the Chateau. I
haven't tried it of course, but I suspect it would only be a few kilometres
out.
http://www.saintchartier.com/ <http://www.saintchartier.com/>
Should tell you all you need to know.
I wonder it I can get a REALLY good deal on a Ferry if I booked now....
Bye for now,
Peter
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Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:43:24 EDT
From: Maxoubbn _at_ aol.com
Subject: Re: [HG] St. Chartier 2001,
Hello
F�te d'Embraud (La Chavann�e) = 28th/29th July 2001
see you there...
Maxou
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Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:48:37 EDT
From: Maxoubbn _at_ aol.com
Subject: Re: [HG] St. Chartier 2001,
Hello again
St Chartier is the Indre department and in the Berry province. Precisely in
the "Bas Berry" (low Berry).
And more precisely in what George Sand used to describe as the "Vall�e bleue"
("Blue valley").
Maxou
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Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:50:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alden Hackmann <darkstar _at_ u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [HG] St. Chartier 2001,
Maxou said:
>
> St Chartier is the Indre department and in the Berry province. Precisely in
> the "Bas Berry" (low Berry).
> And more precisely in what George Sand used to describe as the "Vall�e bleue"
> ("Blue valley").
I stand corrected. Thank you for clearing this up.
Alden
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Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 22:33:52 +0200
From: C.Westbroek <bourree _at_ hetnet.nl>
Subject: Re: [HG] St. Chartier 2001,
Many years ago (about seven or eight) I saw a concert of la Chavannee and
Maxou explained where you could find the Bourbonnais. He compaired his body
with the map of France and I m afraid I forgot which part of his body was
the Bourbonnais. Anyway it was a great concert
sorry Maxou
Cor Westbroek
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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 03:35:24 EDT
From: Maxoubbn _at_ aol.com
Subject: Re: [HG] St. Chartier 2001,
Hello
It was the navel, of course.
How can you forget that ?
Maxou
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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 11:10:23 +0200
From: C.Westbroek <bourree _at_ hetnet.nl>
Subject: Re: [HG] St. Chartier 2001,
Im sorry Maxou, it must have been the wine
Cor.
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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 11:09:43 +0100
From: peter.j.hughes _at_ bt.com
Subject: RE: [HG] St. Chartier 2001,
From Maxou
> Hello again
>
> St Chartier is the Indre department and in the Berry
> province. Precisely in
> the "Bas Berry" (low Berry).
> And more precisely in what George Sand used to describe as
> the "Vall�e bleue"
> ("Blue valley").
But Maxou, I thought the area is called the 'Vallee Noir' (black valley).
I'm puzzled now!
Peter
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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:28:04 -0700
From: Jason Baker <haku-jin _at_ ns.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] to OTW festival
How many other central/northern Californians are on the list?
I'm in Sacramento, it sounds as though there are two people in the Bay Area
and at least another in Sac or environs...
Wouldn't it be nice to have relatively local HG gatherings?
Jason Baker
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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 11:13:49 -0700
From: J J Andrus <jjandr _at_ netzero.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] to OTW festival
Hey Jason, Come to the Festival and meet them! It's a great place to get
acquainted with hurdy gurdy players from all over. Yes, we've got several
Californians coming. "Local" is all in perspective. OTW is relatively
local for you compared to St Chartier. :-)
Joanne
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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 20:08:55 +0100
From: rose daly <rose.daly _at_ virgin.net>
Subject: Fw: [HG] St. Chartier 2001,
> It's definitely Vallee bleue, there's a hotel in St Chartier in the house
> where G Sand's doctor used to live, called the Vallee Bleue, set in lovely
> grounds. We went there for lunch and nearly got thrown out as we were so
> scruffy ...
> Rose
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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 20:33:49 -0700
From: george swallow <swallow _at_ beechcottage98.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [HG] St. Chartier 2001,
This is (now) quite upsetting. In 1989 I visited both Montlucon and Clermont
Ferrand and didn't see a single hurdy gurdy.
But with two small children, I wasn't looking properly.
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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 20:51:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: Roy Trotter <rtlhf _at_ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] What kind of dance is a Montagnarde?
Hello, hello,
I don't know if it's FRENCH French, but the word
"montagnarde" gets used in Asia to refer to tribal
highlanders. The usage started during the
unpleasantness in (former French colony) Vietnam, but
I have lately encountered the word in reference to
people in the Philipines and Taiwan.
No relevance really, but I couldn't pass up the
opportunity to wax pedantic. <g>
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