Hurdy-gurdy Mailing List - April 2001
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Our deepest thanks to Maxou Heintzen for this fabulous photograph, taken at Saint-Cloud near Paris in 1957 by an unknown photographer.
The following are the archives of the Hurdy-gurdy Mailing List, sponsored by Alden and Cali Hackmann of Olympic Musical Instruments.
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Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 17:21:27 -0700
From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_silverlink.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] When will my gurdy be ready?
To our hurdy-gurdy customers :
A small correction to my earlier message - we expect to be working on
getting the new shop ready for occupancy for about 2 weeks, and will
probably take another week to get everything settled in and organized.
After that we should be back up and running faster than ever before. ;-)
Alden
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Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 23:19:45 -0700
From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_silverlink.net>
Subject: [HG] Forward from Bruce Nally re Porcelain
Hello Everyone;
I need some technical advice from our exclusive group of Hurdy Gurdy
Builders. I have a request for a Porcelain knob on a vielle carree
under construction, and as I have use of a friend's potters wheel, I
have made several test models. The problem is "what is the best way to
attach a porcelain knob on it's axle", without having excessive play on
it's shaft, also not having the axle protrude the head of the knob.
After firing there is a problem with shrinkage of the knob's centre axle
hole, if it is just a bit too large, the knob is very noisy in use.
Bruce Nally
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Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 07:34:50 -0700
From: Henry Boucher <boite _at_sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: [HG] Forward from Bruce Nally re Porcelain
Bonjour,
I have bought my porcelaine knobs from Pascal Cranga ( he has a w-site)
today they are made on centrifufal equipment , and are cheap enough
it is not worth the time spent to make it myself.
Pascal also sells nylon attachement but suggested to use wood instead .
I have not used it yet , I guess they have to be brocken and replaced
if they need later service.
Henry
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 21:10:29 +0100
From: J&A Turner <atthings _at_lineone.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] Forward from Bruce Nally re Porcelain
Try Putting a metal bush over the handle and then gluing it into the hole in
the knob.
Adrian Turner.
www.hudson83-freeserve-co-uk.freeserve.co.uk
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Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 13:40:50 +0100
From: michael.i.ross _at_bt.com
Subject: [HG] Sessions in Paris
As I will be in Paris next week, does anyone know of anywhere that plays
HG/French music. Do the French have 'sessions' as we know them?
Thanks
Michael
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Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 22:10:06 -0400
From: Bruce Nally <bln _at_idirect.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] Forward from Bruce Nally re Porcelain
Thank you and also J&A Turner for the information and help with the
porcelain knob. Henry, I browsed the Pascal Cranga site, it's a very
informative site in both English and French Unfortunately the English site
information does not work, a question? I know you can help me with, what is
Porcelain Hurdy Gurdy Knob in French?
Bruce
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Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 23:22:51 -0700
From: Henry Boucher <boite _at_sympatico.ca>
Subject: [HG] Poign�e
Hi Bruce ,
A crank handle is " une poign�e de manivelle "
( in fact "poign�e" translates as a handle and as a handfull )
There are many things that Pascal sells that are not listed on
his w-site catalog , a good thing to ask .
To Michael ,
I do not think that the session on the Seine border have started yet
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most other HG sessions I heard of are in very restricted folk groups.
Do try to see the Cit�e de la musique and visit " le boucher " ( Andr�
Bissonnet " in his shop on the" rue du pas de la mule "street ( but
leave
your wallet at the hotel that day <g>).
Henry
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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 19:18:45 +0100
From: graham <graham _at_altongate.co.uk>
Subject: [HG] Anyone want to build me an HG ?
Hi all you luthiers out there,
I am Graham Whyte, I live with my partner Polly in Hampshire England
I have a EMS Henry III, I built it in 1991, couldn't get it to play and left
it for several years.
In 1996 I got interested in Tudor re-enactment (living history) thanks to
meeting Polly and eventually sorted the HG out with considerable help and a
decent set of strings from Cali Hackmann.
It plays well and is much loved and used. We play for Tudor dancing (HG &
drum) and also as wandering players with others (bagpipes, shawm etc),
mostly at Kentwell Hall, a lovely, moated Tudor manor house
www.kentwell.co.uk in Suffolk England but also for English Heritage and The
National Trust. We probably introduce the HG to up to many thousands of
adults and school children every year and the vast majority of those seem to
like it.
We are very interested in having a second c/g HG made for us.
It would have to be of an authentic(ish) style for use in 16th / 17th
century but any "bells and whistles" would be welcome as long as they were
not obviously modern.
A particularily useful device would be an F# leading note at the open end of
the chanters, bag-pipers have this advantage over us.
How about open F# chanters with spring applied G tangents which could be
removed from the strings using the thumb on the key on the other side of the
key box ?
Probably a crazy idea but there a lot of tunes which only stray that far
below the tonic and could then be played in G instead of having to play them
in C. I suspect there might be a problem in having the open chanters defined
by tangents rather than the nuts.
It would also be very useful to have a device to shift the trompette from D
to C without re-tuning.
If anyone is interested in building an HG or has one for sale that might be
suitable, please contact me directly at graham _at_altongate.co.uk
Thank you Cathy for the superb translation, it was very, very moving
Graham Whyte
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Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 17:48:33 -0700
From: Henry Boucher <boite _at_sympatico.ca>
Subject: [HG] XVIIth centh.
Hi ,
In the 16 and 17 th century the HG was the instrument of beggars
( lyra mendicorum ) one good exemple is shown on George
de la Tour paintings
:http://perso.wanadoo.fr/xaime/vielle/histoire/delat.html
Not much ( if any) archives about those instruments , they were
very different from the square boxes generally pictured played
by monks .
In St Chartier I saw a reconstitution ( to the best of my memory
it was made by Daniel Grandchamps but I would not bet my paycheck
on it ) These instruments were monoxyles : the sound box was
carved from a single log of wood , like a rebec and other
instruments of that time .This explains the strange tri-lobe
shape of the crank side and the oyster like look when viewed
from the side Maybe it is also an explanation for the nailed sound board
found on some Flemish and German HG , sometime or later instruments the
nails are only decorative .The vielle carr�e or vielle Normande (
HenryIII
style for you ) was the next innovation possibly from the second
part of the 17th cent.
Henry
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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 19:14:09 -0400
From: zhenya <zhenya _at_prexar.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] XVIIth centh.
previuos://...instruments of that time .This explains the strange tri-lobe
shape of the crank side //
I don't understand. Wouldn't a log end up sort of
squared off at the bottom. Why tri-lobe?
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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 21:51:00 -0400
From: zhenya <zhenya _at_prexar.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] Anyone want to build me an HG ?
so...bag pipes have the drone of root and fifth, and then F# sounds
disonance against the fifth?
I wondered if there could be one key to a third string in the key box that,
open was a root, but with the key (mid way)gave an F#. Only thing is that it
would be a half step from a fifth on a drone string.
I'm not a builder so please forgive me for speaking too much.
jim
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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 22:16:58 -0700
From: Henry Boucher <boite _at_sympatico.ca>
Subject: [HG] Tri-lobe,
One can shape the outside of the log as well as the inside .
Now, why a tri-lobe shape? I wish I knew ... Difficult to come
with a clear answer since there are no archives about it and no
instrument survived, all we have are a few paintings. My wild un�ducated
guess is that it may have
something to do with an effort to prevent the wood from splitting ?
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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 22:35:45 -0700
From: R. T. Taylor <rtaylor _at_amp.csulb.edu>
Subject: [HG] The Nordic Roots Festival "Hurdy Gurdy Project" concert
If you are near Minneapolis Minnesota on April 19-20, you might want to
check out the
Nordic Roots Festival
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http://www.noside.com/festival/index1.html
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7Pm and an extra Midnight show on Friday April 20 has been added for the
Hurdy-Gurdy Project (Stefan from Garmarna and Totte from Hedningarna).
This is the premiere of new collaboration, where all the sounds are
made by hurdy-gurdies, with large doses of modern music technology.
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I have no idea what this is going to sound like but it could be
interesting.
�
There's still time to gain admission to individual concerts and for the
whole weekend with the Festival Pass.
For tickets, call 612 338 2674 or visit http://www.thecedar.org
r.t.
000�
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 12:02:14 +0100
From: J&A Turner <atthings _at_lineone.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] Tri-lobe,
Tri Lobe? as a woodworker I have no I dea what you are all talking about so
cant add any suggestions.. I would like to suggest that this strange
configuration my be the artists aberation!!!
Adrian Turner
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Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 08:53:01 -0400
From: Matthew Szostak <gurdy _at_midcoast.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] The Nordic Roots Festival "Hurdy Gurdy Project" concert
And, on a somewhat unrelated note, for any of you V�rttin� fans out
there, this will be their ONLY scheduled North American performance this
year.� Can you imagine?� Such a big group over hear for ONE performance?�
What do you suppose their fee is?
Gilles Chabenat played hurdy-gurdy on 4 of the tracks on their newest
recording (right out in front on 3 of them); no word whether he'll show
up, but somehow I doubt it!
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Matthew Szostak - Hurdy-Gurdies
7 Grove Street
Camden, Maine� 04843
phone/fax: 207-236-9576
email: gurdy _at_midcoast.com
website: http://www.midcoast.com/~beechhil/vielle
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Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 12:12:28 -0700
From: Henry Boucher <boite _at_sympatico.ca>
Subject: [HG] Tri-lobe,
artists aberation!!!
Look again , the tri-lobe bottom is characteristic of most pre-baroque
gurdies , the Henry III and the " a la Turque "still have some remains
of this shape .
http://www.museevirtuel.ca/Exhibitions/Instruments/Francais/mcc_j_txt11b_fr.html
Henry
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Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 18:06:28 -0700
From: R. T. Taylor <rtaylor _at_amp.csulb.edu>
Subject: [HG] Hungarian Tekero events this year.
Here is some information about� Tekero events in Hungary from May through
August.
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It would be nice to learn about the other Hurdy Gurdy workshops,
festivals, concerts etc. that well be held in other parts of the world.
Maybe Alden could update the festival web page if you send information
about events that you know about.
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This information I received from Lipt�k P�ter
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5 May� POMAZ����� Tekero meeting and� workshop
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2,3,4 June BUDAPEST�� Tanchaz talalkozo
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7,8 July� GOIK (Belgium)�� Bokros� ensemble�[ this is the group that
performed last year at St. Chartier ]
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26 July� -� 5 August�� KAPOLCS���� Tekero exhibition,music and friends
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29 July - 4 Aug.����� NAGYK�R۠���� Folk music and dance Camp��
(Krisztian teaches the Tekero. Guaranteed teaching
in small groups 3 hours in the morning, every evening
tanchaz� (guest stars are welcome)
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17- 2O Aug. BUDAPEST����������
International Meeting and Exhibition of Instrument makers
(some of them known from St Chartier)
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Teka Tekero camp information from this web page.
http://hungaria.org/lists/folklor/news/teka-taborok.htm
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My Hungarian is not too good. My simple translation is this.
Tekero and Bagpipe festival� in Boldogk�v�ralja Hungary, 22-26 august.
The teachers are Bartha Z. �goston, Havasr�ti P�l�and Szer�nyi B�la. I
have played with all of them and they are good players and teachers too.
For more information, you can contact Havasr�ti P�l at the contact
address at the bottom of the message.
�
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2001. augusztus 22-26.
II. Teker�- �s Dudat�bor
Boldogk�v�ralja
'Virgina lassan nyomogatva zenge, duda bord�j�t�l az k�fal is
renge...'T�borunk a magyar �s az eur�pai teker�- �s dudamuzsika hagyom�nyaival
k�v�n foglalkozni
Teker� oktat�sa kezd� �s halad� szinten� Alf�ldi ol�hos, lass� �s friss
cs�rd�s dallamok
Hogyan vatt�zzunk, recsegj�nk, hangoljunk...?
Tan�rok: Bartha Z. �goston, Havasr�ti P�l �s Szer�nyi B�la
Duda oktat�sa kezd�knek �s halad�knak� Alf�ldi dudan�t�k
Dudas�p k�sz�t�se, s�psz�r hangol�sa, dudab�r kik�sz�t�se
Seres Imre, Szikora J�nos, P�l Istv�n dud�sok dallamai, j�t�ktechnik�i
Tan�rok: L�nyi Gy�rgy �s Istv�nfi Bal�zs
Klarin�t �s t�rogat� oktat�sa: Ber�n Istv�n
Tervezett el�ad�sok
ifj.Cso�ri S�ndor: Hogyan muzsik�ljunk egy�tt
dr. Hank�czi� Gyula: Kieg�sz�t�sek a teker� n�prajz�hoz - Az alf�ldi duda
Koz�k J�zsef: A magyar duda
T�borunk c�lja, hogy a n�pzen�szek legyenek k�pesek a hagyom�nyos magyar
n�pzene st�lush�,
hiteles �s �lm�nyt ad� megsz�laltat�s�ra, tov�bbi �n�ll� tanul�sra,
felv�telek, kott�k �s n�pzenei gy�jt�sek alapj�n
Hangszert felt�tlen hozz�l magaddal!
Est�nk�nt Padkaporos-dudab�l!
R�szv�teli d�j: 6000,-Ft / f� + �tkez�s: napi 1200,-Ft
Napi jegy: l�togat�knak 900,-Ft/f� ; csal�dtagoknak 500,-Ft/f�
Jelentkez�sed Havasr�ti P�l v�rja
faxon: 06-23-36 57 14, telefonon: 06-30-940 12 42 vagy e-mailen:
teka _at_mail.datanet.hu
http://w3.datanet.hu/~teka
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Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 22:57:18 -0400
From: zhenya <zhenya _at_prexar.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] Hungarian Tekero events this year.
Of these, is the Tekero exhibition the best one for seeing Tekero
instruments?
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Thank you.
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Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 10:52:32 +0200
From: "[Windows-1252] Wenceslao Mart�nez Calonge" <wencesmc _at_interacesso.pt>
Subject: Re: [HG] Hungarian Tekero events this year.
Hello everybody:
�
it's a small world!
Due to academic reasons I happen to visit Budapest in May!� Not planning
to travel with HG.
Where is Pomaz? Is it easy arriving there by train or public bus from
Budapest?
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>5 May POMAZ�� Tekero meeting and workshop
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Last but not least, I am not rich but it would be nice knowing about
second-hand, cheap instruments shops in Budapest.
�
Greetings from Coimbra (Portugal),
Wenceslao Mart�nez Calonge
wencesmc _at_interacesso.pt
http://www.interacesso.pt/~wencesmc/index.htm
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Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 13:00:08 +0200
From: Simon Wascher <Simon.Wascher _at_chello.at>
Subject: Re: [HG] Hungarian Tekero events this year.
Hello,
> Wenceslao Mart�nez Calonge wrote:
> it's a small world!
(...)> Where is Pomaz? Is it easy arriving there by train or public bus
from
> Budapest?
> >5 May POMAZ Tekero meeting and workshop
As things are I will be doing some teaching and a small performance
there. Pomaz seems to be somewhere in the outskirts of Budapest. But all
I really know is that someone will pick me up at Keleti pu train station
on the morning of the fifth.
Simon Wascher - Vienna, Austria
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Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 09:19:31 -0600
From: arle lommel <fenevad _at_ttt.org>
Subject: Re: [HG] Hungarian Tekero events this year.
Hi,
Pomaz is a suburb of Buda (the western half of the city) and is about six km
north of the edge of Buda. Public transportation would have you there from
Batthy�ny T�r (on the red subway line) in half an hour, more or less, and
would cost very little. The train you would be looking for is called the
"Szentendrei H�V and would cost very little.
If you are arriving in the airport though and need to find transportation
your best bet is to call either "F� Taxi" or "City Taxi" and request a taxi
to Pomaz since Hungarian taxi rates are quite reasonable (I would think you
are talking about $25-$30 dollars to get there). Both companies are in the
phonebook and give their best rate if you call, and both should have
English-speaking dispatchers available (not a problem either way if you know
Hungarian, but most visitors don't). Don't take a taxi waiting at the
airport, even if it is from one of the companies I mentioned since their
rate for a flagged versus a called taxi is about double. Some of them are
fraudulent as well and would try to charge you up to $100 or more for the
trip.
If you want to go on the cheap side you can catch a bus at the airport (I
don't remember the number) and go to the end. Before getting on this buy
three bus/metro tickets since you will use them to get to Pomaz and you
can't buy them on the bus or subway and there are conductors who will check.
This bus will dump you at a station on the blue line metro (subway). From
there you get on the metro and take it to D�ak T�r and change to a red-line
metro headed for D�li Palyaudv�r and get off at Batthy�ny T�r. You would
need to buy a ticket there for the H�V (commuter train) and take it to
Pomaz. (The H�V is in a different area of the station than the metro, so you
might have to ask how to get there. If you have a good sense of direction it
is in the north part of the station, but signposting in Hungary is not to
the level it is in most of Europe, so if you can't find the relevant sign
and figure out how to pay for tickets you might need to ask someone for
help. If you know English many young people can help you.) Cost for all this
would be less than five bucks.
If you are coming in by train you will most likely arrive at Keleti
Palyaudvar. From there you can take a taxi (probably $20) or hop on the red
line metro and go to Batth�ny T�r and proceed as above. (Buy two bus/metro
tickets in this case.)
I would strongly recommend taking a taxi if you have much luggage. Budapest,
unfortunately, has a lot of pickpockets and thieves that work the metros. I
have been nailed once and seen many other fall prey to them. If you are from
some place where this is a problem and you know what to watch out for
Budapest is not bad, but if you haven't experienced that sort of problem
before, definitely avoid the major public transportation while carrying
anything valuable. If you are from the U.S. and have never used any European
public transportation then I would even more strongly recommend taking a
taxi as being a foreigner and confused is not an excuse that most train
conductors will buy. Saving twenty or thirty bucks is hardly worth the
trouble if you have a bag or a wallet stolen on the train as the likelihood
of ever seeing it again is about zero. (One other note: contrary to what
most Hungarians will tell you, the majority of subway thieves are not
Gypsy/Roma; in the two years I lived in Hungary I saw more Hungarians
stealing on public transportation than any other group. While there are Roma
thieves on the public transportation, you are more likely to see Roma
beggars than thieves, so don't assume anything based on the skin color of
anyone crowding you or doing anything you think is odd.)
If anyone has any other questions about transportation in Hungary let me
know. Short of giving you bus times or something like that that I can't find
out from Utah I can probably at least point you in the right direction to
find what you need.
Regards,
Arle
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Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 11:38:14 -0400
From: zhenya <zhenya _at_prexar.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] Hungarian Tekero events this year.
You (Arle) are so very, very nice about the details of getting there. And
I'm just on the side line reading it all. Do you know how to "picture" that
particular day? It sounds like it is all about the Tekero and a big, big
weekend there for that instrument. Do many people come and is there a strong
interest in Hungary in the Tekero these days?
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Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 18:27:34 +0200
From: Reymen reymen <reymen _at_pandora.be>
Subject: Re: [HG] Anyone want to build me an HG ?
Hi ,over there,
I am Marc Reymen living in Antwerp and amateur luthier
In fact I was so interested in the HG and could not find one that I made the
first one almost whtihout any help or plans
That was some 10 years ago.
Now I have made 3 and remade the first one into a real instrument.
If you can give me some pictures of what ouy want and some explanation about the
string arangement you like i can see what i can do .
I would suggest to make an instrument and then let you buy it .
Please let me now something.
Marc
reymen _at_pandora.be
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Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 14:04:41 +0100
From: peter.j.hughes _at_bt.com
Subject: RE: [HG] Anyone want to build me an HG ?
Hello Graham,
I have a hurdy gurdy built by Chris Eaton which has both low F and F#,
access to them is via sprung keys. The 'open' note is thus G. It's not,
however, a simple sliding key mechanism. The 'keys' actually operate
rotating capos, rather like those used on chromatic harps. On the whole, it
works well, with stable tuning. If I had a digital camera I'd send you a
photograph.
The advantages are pretty much as you describe - both natural and harmionic
leading notes become available when playing in G, and some tunes in C
benefit from a low F. It also makes playing in the key of F over a C drone
more practical, and some bagpipe gracings such as burls become playable.
It's only two extra notes, but they're particularly useful ones. Clif
Stapleton has the same mechanism on one of his instruments.
A capo to shift the trompette from C to D is quite a common feature which
many makers can provide.
I live in Woodbrige, Suffolk, which is less than an hours drive from
Kentwell so next time you're there drop me a line.
Best regards,
Peter hughes.
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Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 09:20:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Roy Trotter <rtlhf _at_yahoo.com>
Subject: [HG] Turbo-Valse ?
Hello,
At the Over the Water Festival last September, I was
inspired enough by the Music and Dance workshop/
discussion, that (as soon as I could walk) I took
waltz lessons *. I'm glad I did,
BUT:
What I'm dancing to is considerably slower than what
happens on my HG CDs. Is the French Valse more toward
the Vienna style than the Ballroom Waltz? Or is it
something completely different?
Additionally, I'd like to discuss (privately) the
possibility of getting video copies of French Dance at
OTW, ST C., or other arenas. Please contact me at
<rtlhf _at_yahoo.com>. Surely we can work something out.
Thanks, Roy T.
* <g> I suspect R.T. and Matt and a few others are
thinking I should have taken elocution lessons...<g>
Maybe we can get together for group rates. <waaa ha ha
ha>
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Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 11:20:52 -0600
From: arle lommel <fenevad _at_ttt.org>
Subject: Re: [HG] Hungarian Tekero events this year.
Hi,
I haven't ever been to Pomaz, just through it on the train, so I can't say
much about town itself. It looks like it is about the size of its
better-known neighbor Szentendre, which means you could walk across the town
in twenty minutes or less.
Concerning your other questions, yes, there is considerable interest in the
teker� (and duda - bagpipe) in Hungary. The folk revival in Hungary is very
strong and is best compared to what has gone on in Celtic countries in terms
of the general level of public interest. The interest is mostly in more or
less authentic music (however one defines that, a topic we could waste a lot
of bandwidth on and still never come to any conclusion), and owes a lot to
Bart�k and Kodaly's enormous influence on the Hungarian national image. This
is an area your average Hungarian takes a lot of positive pride in and
supports at least in intention if not action.
-Arle
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Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 10:21:52 -0700
From: Christina Wright <ccwright _at_halcyon.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] Turbo-Valse ?
Dear Ray,
Your question about the French valse is one I have grappled with,
so I'll come out of hiding on this list to reply. When Luther (my husband)
and I first went to St. Chartier, watching with eyes as large as saucers,
of course, we thought there were two waltz tempi. But, no, the slower one,
the one that feels like an American waltz, is usually a mazurka. We began
to notice that most people were doing steps we had never seen before (but
which I can teach you this September at the OTW Festival.)
The valse, in France, is quick, with smaller, lighter steps, more
turns, with less space begin taken by any single couple. (The French
version of the Scottish is similar, in that it takes up less space than its
Scandivnavian counterpart, with smaller steps and tiny lifts instead of
hops.)
This is rambling, but I suspect that your waltz lessons will come
in plenty handy when you crank yourself up to French tempo. Try it. The
only way to move that quickly to that beat is to take teeny steps!
Chris Wright
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Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 11:33:20 -0600
From: arle lommel <fenevad _at_ttt.org>
Subject: [HG] T�ka HG and bagpipe camp
Hi,
R.T.'s list of information on the Hungarian events had a section in
Hungarian that R.T. didn't feel comfortable translating. I have translated
that and some of you may find it of interest. I doubt that any of the
instruction will be in English at the camp as the primary focus is for
Hungarian musicians, but if anyone is interested you could probably go and
follow along and I imagine you can find someone who speaks English well
enough to help you find your way around. The contact person is P�l
Havasr�ti, who speaks at least some English. However, if anyone is
interested in contacting him I can translate what is needed so that it is
easier for him. (I am not familiar with the village of Boldogk�v�ralja and
my atlas of Hungary is packed away at the moment, so I don't know how to get
there.)
I figure the cost for the entire thing as about 12000 HUF (about $42 U.S.),
really an amazing deal for everything covered. Having never been to an event
like this I do not know what the lodging options are. If anyone is
interested I will ask P�l Havasr�ti about that via e-mail.
I wish I could go but work and moving to Indiana will keep me away. Maybe
next year.
Arle
Here is the translated information on the camp from R.T.'s message:
*******
2001. August 22-26.
Second Teker� and Duda Camp
Boldogk�v�ralja
Our camp wishes to deal with Hungarian and European hurdy gurdy and bagpipe
music traditions.
HG instruction at beginning and intermediate levels. Alf�ldi ol�has, slow
and fast csardas songs. How to cotton, use the dog, and play the instrument.
Teachers: Z. Agoston Bartha, P�l Havasr�ti, and B�la Szer�nyi.
Bagpipe instruction at beginning and intermediate levels. Bagpipe reed
prearation. Chanter tuning, bag preparation. Songs of bagpipers Imre Seres,
J�nos Szikora, and Istv�n P�l. Playing technique.
Teachers: Gy�rgy L�nyi and Bal�zs Istv�nfi.
Clarinet and T�rogat� instruction: Istv�n Ber�n.
Planned presentations:
S�ndor Cso�ri Jr.: How to play together
Dr. Gyula Hank�czi: Additions to an ethnography of the teker� - the Alf�ldi
bagpipe.
J�zsef Kozak: The Hungarian bagpipe
The goal of our camps is that folk musicians be capable of playing
traditional Hungarian music in a manner true to the style, faithful and such
that it gives an authentic experience, and that they also be capable of
further independent study on the basis of recordings, scores and collections
of folk music.
You must bring your own instrument with you!
Every evening there will be a bagpipe dance!
Participation fee: 6000 HUF (approx $21 U.S.)/person + meals at 1200 HUF
(about $4 U.S.)/day
Day ticket: for visitors 900 HUF ($3 U.S.)/person; for family members 500
HUF ($2 U.S.)
Send bookings to P�l Havasr�ti:
Fax: 06 23 36 57 14
Tel: 06 30 940 12 42
Email: teka _at_mail.datanet.hu
Web: http://w3.datanet.hu/~teka
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Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 19:42:44 +0200
From: Simon Wascher <Simon.Wascher _at_chello.at>
Subject: Re: [HG] Turbo-Valse ?
hello,
Roy Trotter wrote:
> What I'm dancing to is considerably slower than what
> happens on my HG CDs. Is the French Valse more toward
> the Vienna style than the Ballroom Waltz? Or is it
> something completely different?
I do not not know what kind of waltz you learned exactly. To my
observations the viennese waltz is a bit slower than the central french
folk waltz. The solution for the dancers is not to make a full turn on
two bars in the central french style of waltz as saw it in france. There
is not such a rigid dance direction round a circle, so one does not need
so much the time to get around.
Also keep in mind that music played for recording or concert follows
other rules than music been played for dancing. Playing for dancing
ideally means to follow the steps of the dancers, so in this case the
dancers give the tempo.
In general with waltz there are different ways to make the steps
depending on the tempo: If slow every step is done seperately, if faster
the steps start to slide together into one fluent two bar movement. Also
there are to possibilities with which foot to start: with the right one
in viennese waltz with the left in some folk styles. To my observation
folk dance is nearly always faster than at a formal dance.
Simon Wascher - Vienna, Austria
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Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 23:07:53 -0700
From: Henry Boucher <boite _at_sympatico.ca>
Subject: [HG] Turbo-waltz,
Bonsoir,
Exact observation , caracteristic of the french waltz is quick short
steps , wich eventually evolved into the "Java" as the HG and the
bagpipe were replaced by the diatonic and later the chromatic accordeon.
The java started in those Paris caf� owned by immigrants from central
France .
Here in Qu�bec the tradition is the Austrian or German style
with long steps at slower tempo , legacy of the German musicians,
music teachers and piano makers who came with the British
army after the 7 years war (French and Indian war for you Yanquees<g>)
Henry
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Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 23:21:14 -0700
From: Henry Boucher <boite _at_sympatico.ca>
Subject: [HG] Nice picture ,
Just a nice picture of Hungarian bagpipe and HG :
http://www.i-voir.com/festiv/stchar/sc48.html
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Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 00:47:35 -0700
From: R. T. Taylor <rtaylor _at_amp.csulb.edu>
Subject: Re: [HG] Nice picture ,
That is Havasr�ti P�l playing Tekero and Lanyi Gyorgy playing Duda.
They are both in the Teka Ensemble.
There are also 68 other pictures taken at St. Chartier 2000.
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Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:13:42 +0200
From: B&D Renaudin <d140557 _at_club-internet.fr>
Subject: Re: [HG] Sessions in Paris
Hi Michael,
michael.i.ross _at_bt.com a *crit :
>
> As I will be in Paris next week, does anyone know of anywhere that plays
> HG/French music. Do the French have 'sessions' as we know them?
Well, we do have irish and related music sessions... Not for Centre
France music, a very elusive specie!
:-)
Dominique Renaudin
http://perso.club-internet.fr/d140557/index.html
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Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:44:50 -0400
From: Judith Lindenau <judith _at_taar.com>
Subject: [HG] FW: The Slovak Spectator - forwarding the article
Of interest: The Slovak Spectator's article "The lost art
:of hurdy-gurdys revived" zo SlovakSpectatora:
:http://www.slovakspectator.sk/clanok.asp?vyd=2001012&rub=spectfeat&cl=345.
I was able to acquire a ninera from Tibor after visiting him in 1999.
He's a delightful man and an excellent folk musician.
Judith
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Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 18:58:32 +0200
From: www.altemusik.net <thomas _at_altemusik.net>
Subject: [HG] Einladung f�r Handwerksst�nde: Kaltenhauser Mittelalter 2001
Einladung f�r Sie!
Bitte auch weitermailen. Danke!
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* Wir suchen:
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Mit freundlichen Gr��en aus Salzburg,
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K�nstlerischer Leiter des Kaltenhauser Mittelalters
Antworten per mail:
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oder Fax: 00 43 / 662 / 831 002 (von 8 Uhr bis 19 Uhr)
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Erzabt-Klotz-Strasse 27
A - 5020 Salzburg
Tel & Fax: 00 43 / 662 / 831 002
Mobil: 0043 / 664 / 33 78 522
______________________________
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______________________________
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:07:41 +0200 (CEST)
From: marcello bono <lyra_mendicorum _at_yahoo.it>
Subject: [HG] Easter
Hi
Happy Easter to the list.
I wish you all great time (resting or working, it depends on your habit).
See you next tuesday
=====
Marcello Bono
my hurdy-gurdy page is
http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/1045
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:53:47 -0700
From: Joan L. D'Andrea <jeepstr42 _at_uswest.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] Easter
Happy Easter everybody.
Joan L. D'Andrea
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 06:44:32 -0400
From: zhenya <zhenya _at_prexar.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] Easter
Easter/Pasca God bless.
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:51:19 -0400
From: zhenya <zhenya _at_prexar.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] Easter
I always seem to mis-type and mis-spell; I'm sorry. Actually Pascha. But, as
far as the hurdy gurdy and saying it that way, I have one recording that
seems rare. It is the leader of a Russian choir, the Siren Choir, singing a
chant and playing the hurdy gurdy as he sings. The notes indicate that they
called it was called a Lyra and that blind, very poor men would sing like
that and play in Russia. I guess similar to Schubert's melody/ Muller's
lyrics that the list talking about about little bit.
Thanks for reading, as always.
jim
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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 15:42:25 -0700
From: Cynthia A. Wright <cwright _at_smartt.com>
Subject: [HG] Cordes en Folie web site
Greetings list...Happy Easter.
The "official" Cordes en Folie web site is now online....check it out!
(you might need a bit of patience on a really slow modem, but worth it.)
www.CordesEnFolie.com
There was some discussion on the list a while back about buying their CD...
In the "Our Music" section, there is a link to a distributor, where you can
buy it online.
Enjoy the weekend.
Cynthia
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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:48:50 -0400
From: Judith Lindenau <judith _at_taar.com>
Subject: RE: [HG] Cordes en Folie web site
What a beautiful site...
judith
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Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 01:03:19 +0200
From: www.altemusik.net <thomas _at_altemusik.net>
Subject: [HG] Alte Musik Rundbrief Nr. 10 / 19.4.2001
Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren!
Liebe Freunde der Alten Musik und des Mittelalters!
�
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�
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�
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�
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2. Die Akteure
3. Strassenarten und Router f�r Ihre Anreise
4. interaktives Verzeichnis von Hotel, Pensionen, Jugenherbergen und
Campingpl�tzen����
��� und vieles mehr ...
Mit freundlichen Gr�ssen,
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�
�
Dear Sir! Dear Madam!
Dear friends of early music and medievalism!
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The greatest Medieval Festival all over Austria
http://www.altemusik.net/kaltenhausen2001.html�
On this homepage you`ll find everthing:
�
1. programme
2. staff
3. maps and router for your travel
4. hotels
��� and much more ...
�
All the best
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000�
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 11:57:51 -0400
From: zhenya <zhenya _at_prexar.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] Cordes en Folie web site
This group has some very, very pretty songs with acoustic guitar and hurdy
gurdy.
jim
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Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 15:25:39 -0700
From: Henry Boucher <boite _at_sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: [HG] Cordes en Folie web site
Salut Jim ,
Gouging a few minutes of a sunny saturday afternoon of "pre"-gardening
( raking leftover leafs from last fall <g>)
Photocopies are done and leaving from the post office in a few hours .
Is there any Indian communities in your area ?
A bient�t,
Henry
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Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 11:19:49 +0100
From: Neil Brook <hurdy.gurdy _at_virgin.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] Cordes en Folie web site
Is it just me or are the links faulty on the Cordes en Folie site- I can't
get past the second page.
Neil
www.hurdy-gurdy.org.uk
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Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 04:20:25 -1000
From: Don V. Lax <donvlax _at_maui.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] Cordes en Folie web site
you need the very latest version of the Macromedia Flash plugin.
It's worth it. The website is one of the most beautiful I've yet seen...
Neil Brook wrote:
> Is it just me or are the links faulty on the Cordes en Folie site- I can't
> get past the second page.
>
> Neil
> www.hurdy-gurdy.org.uk
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Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 08:30:25 -0600
From: arle lommel <fenevad _at_ttt.org>
Subject: [HG] Hungarian teker� and bagpipe camp
Dear list,
Last week I made a translation of some information RT had posted regarding
the Hungarian HG camp. I just got the following from the camp's organizer
indicating that they would welcome players of all types. I wish I could
myself be going, but I really think this would be a great opportunity for
anyone interested in the Hungarian HG tradition.
-Arle
Dear Arle Lommel,
R.T. translation is correct.
We waiting for every players, in our special bourdon camp.
If you need any help just write me.
(40 players was in a camp a last year)
Regards Pal Havasreti
**********************************************************
TE'KA Band
- Havasre'ti Pa'l -
Hungary - 2030 E'RD, Dea'k Ferenc utca 74.
phone: (36) 23/ 523-714
phone/fax: (36) 23/ 365-714
cell.phone: (36) 30/ 9401-242
teka _at_mail.datanet.hu
http://w3.datanet.hu/~teka
**********************************************************
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Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 08:29:41 -0700
From: Cynthia A. Wright <cwright _at_smartt.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] Cordes en Folie web site
Hi Neil and others with similar problems on the Cordes en Folie site...
You have to have the Flash 5 plug-in for the site to be viewed as
created...(follow the link on the first page).
The Flash 4 plug will result in you 'missing pieces' to the site...
The Web Master is in the know, and is working on resolving this...
Cheers,
Cynthia
Vancouver
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Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:56:41 +0100
From: Mike Gilpin <mjgilpin _at_tesco.net>
Subject: [HG] Workshop with Cliff Stapleton
For all you out there with G/C gurdies - � "Cliff Stapleton will be
holding a 2-day Hurdy Gurdy workshop on26th/27th May at Haddenham, Cambs.
This is specifically for GC instruments. The cost of the weekend will be
�25, which includes an evening concert on 26th.
Full details available from Ruth Bramley 01353 740999. This event is being
organised by Ely Folk Club."
Hope to see you there
Mike Gilpin
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Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 14:47:41 +0200
From: Simon Wascher <Simon.Wascher _at_chello.at>
Subject: [HG] Vienna hurdy gurdy outdoor session
Hello,
As the spring arrives here in the city, the idea of an regular outdoor
hurdy gurdy session took place. Sugesstions are to meet every Wendsday
at six considering the weather to be OK meaning: no rain during the very
day, air temperature not less than 17� Celsius. Proposed meetingplace:
Heldenplatz. Please mail me if you have anotations about time, day,
place ...
Repertoire and keys: central french, suitable for vielles en re (hurdy
gurdy in D). Vielles and cornemuses en re only, drones in D. The target
is the great sound of such a hurdy gurdy only session which often is
missed with mixed sessions including other instruments.
Suposed to be an open air session and therefore depending on daylight
makes me think this session should not interfere with the 1st wendsday
breton session starting at nine. Weekend was ruled out because some
musicians in question are out of town regulary then.
If this idea finds your interest please mail me back personally.
Simon Wascher - Vienna, Austria
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Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:14:26 -0400
From: Matthew Szostak <gurdy _at_midcoast.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] Hungarian teker�Q== and bagpipe camp
I can't seem to find that translation from a week or so ago - would someone
with a copy be willing to send it to me again? I have a friend who is
interested...
Thanks!
~ Matt
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Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 10:13:38 -0600
From: arle lommel <fenevad _at_ttt.org>
Subject: Re: [HG] Hungarian teker�Q== and bagpipe camp
Hi Matt,
here is my original posting on the subject.
-Arle
[reposting deleted]
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Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 20:46:06 +0100
From: Dave Praties <dave _at_dpraties.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: [HG] lubricatink keywork
Hello all,
Some time ago, there was a debate here about the lubrication of
keys, and I remember reference to wax of some kind being used,
but I can't remember what kind. Could someone remind me? I like
graphite powder for this purpose, but I'm quite into trying something
different. The question I have is, however well this wax works, does
it absorb moisture/dirt/ anything else, and get sticky needing
cleaning off and replacing. Is there any evidence of wax being used
traditionally for keywork?
Cheers,
Dave
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Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:01:48 +0200 (CEST)
From: marcello bono <lyra_mendicorum _at_yahoo.it>
Subject: Re: [HG] lubricatink keywork
Try graphite (not powdered) : just rub a soft pencil
over the key shafts and/or in the keybox holes.
Sometimes the "real" problem in not " lubrication" but
"friction": keybox holes can change dimentions
because of changement in dampness.
That's why I filled the keybox holes grain with
something hard: I used to put a little bit of
cyanoachrilate glue (...sorry for the spelling
folks...) before the final finishing of the holes.
I had good results with filled holes and pencil
I don't think that wax is a good idea, because it can
collect any kind of grime (as oil does)....wax works
great for bicycle chains, because it doesn't allow
penetration of dirt inside, then dirty wax falls while
you push on you pedals and you just have to replacing
it (every 150-200 miles) .... but gurdies got just one
wheel.
ciao
=====
Marcello Bono
my hurdy-gurdy page is
http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/1045
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Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:50:08 +0200
From: Karsten Evers <Evers.Frydrych _at_t-online.de>
Subject: [HG] Helmut Gotschy - hurdy gurdy maker since 1979
Have a look at the homepage www.gotschy.com if you like.
Beside some information about fine hurdy gurdys of Helmut Gotschy you will
find a documentation about making a hurdy gurdy, which is also available as
a book meanwhile. You can receive it from Helmut Gotschy (but it is written
in German).
Karsten Evers
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Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 12:25:13 +0200
From: Simon Wascher <Simon.Wascher _at_chello.at>
Subject: Re: [HG] lubricatink keywork
Hello all,
Silicone spray works nice. But you have either to remove the wheel
before applying the spray or put the keys off the instrument since the
silicone also could lubricate the wheel ;-)
And Marcello is right it is more likely that a swollen hole or tangent
is causing the sticking.
Simon Wascher - Vienna Austria
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Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:37:10 -0700
From: george.swallow <george.swallow _at_beechcottage98.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: [HG] Dewit hurdy gurdy- Die deutsche Ausgabe ist geboren
This instrument, about which Alden has written notes and made extra drawings
was originally contained in a book published in Holland and later translated
for a USA edition. Both are now out of print.
Thanks to Cor Westbroek, the existence of a German edition has been revealed
to me, and I have obtained a copy of it from Amazon in Germany. It was
published in 1999 and at 20DM plus postage (about �11 all in to UK)it is
well worth it. If you don't speak German, you can do what I did with the
Dutch and ignore it; the drawings, a bit of thinking, and Alden's notes are
quite sufficient to make the instrument.
This edition of the book is called "Musikinstrumente selberbauen" and is
obtainable from www.amazon.de . You can type in the title or search under
B�cher and then Jack Botermans to find it. At present they say they have six
copies left in stock.
If your order ends up with "ausverkauft" or "vergriffen" written on it, then
you are unlucky.
George Swallow
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Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:29:19 +0100
From: Neil Brook <hurdy.gurdy _at_virgin.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] lubricatink keywork
I like to spray dry film PTFE mould release agent ( from engineers
merchants) onto the keyshafts. It is super slippery and does not build up
at all. Check the solvent is compatible with the instrument finish and keep
it well away from the wheel !
Neil.
www.hurdy-gurdy.org.uk
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Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 23:56:07 +0100
From: J&A Turner <atthings _at_lineone.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] lubricatink keywork
As cabinet maker and Luthier I would advise against the use of silicon
spray .. appart from problems if any should stray to the wheel .. It makes
re finishing a nightmare ,, Each molicule of silicone breaks the surface
tension of any material you apply to the surface and makes it almost
impossible to get a smooth coating .
It is almost impossible to eliminate the stuff once it has been applied to
the instrument even if you were strip all the finish off some traces of the
material would remain.
I would recomend wax applied as localy as possible..
Adrian Turner . Hudson Instruments.. Wales UK
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Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 14:01:56 -0400
From: Timothy S. Hall <hallt _at_louisville.edu>
Subject: [HG] Minstrel model HG for sale
Hello all:
Unfortunately, circumstances force me to sell the Mistrel model HG I
bought recently from John Peekstok. This is a great little instrument in
perfect shape, and I hate to see it go, but need the money more than the
instrument right now. It was checked over by Alden just before it came to
me, so should need nothing else. Tuners work well, comes with
tourne-a-gauche, cotton, rosin, extra chanter string and thread for tirant
adjustment, and Volksgurdy care & feeding video. Trompette works well and
reliably. It has the standard Minstrel range, and the custom case
advertised on the Olympic web site. This is also the Minstrel featured on
the recent "Men of OTW" calendar (with its previous owner), so comes with a
storied past... I have really enjoyed it, and will probably seek out
another (or get on the waiting list) at some point.
Anyone who wants a great entry-level gurdy, and wants to avoid a 2-year
wait, please contact me. Please pass this message on to anyone you may know
of looking for one of these little beauties. Pictures, etc. available on
request. If I don't hear from anyone in a couple of weeks, I'll probably
put it up on Ebay, but my experience is that Ebay's not that great for
really good instruments, and I'd rather sell it privately to a list member.
Best,
Tim Hall
hallt _at_louisville.edu
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